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Forum Post: 9:15am NY time - OWS Alexis Goldstein on MSNBC NOW

Posted 1 year ago on March 10, 2013, 9:14 a.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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on UP with Chris Hayes

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[-] 3 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Hayes is great for having these important discussions with OUR opinions of "break up the banks" & "reinstate Glass Steagal"

Well Done Hayes.

Well Done Alexis

Well done Occupy.

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Hayes is a hack. Thats why GE keeps him around.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

non-msm like breitbart & daily caller are much more honest

[-] 3 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

OTP just can't stand to see what a decent policy show can do.

So he has to lie and distract from the positive play Occupy gets and how our agenda (the agenda of the 99%) is getting airtime.

He's a lying piece of partisan flotsom.

[+] -6 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Here you go, get educated:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwT8RC0_Ru0

IF you thought that hour of dribble got to the root of one single issue, then you are clearly Vkag.

[-] 2 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

I suppose your guy Breitbart does better.

I heard lot's of intelligent comments from Alexis (and others). I wouldn't impose the measure of solving any problems, but I understood the root.

I think you are blinded by your hatred for occupy and the news shows who would push our agenda by having us on.

Partisan Troll!!

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

that shit is right wing jerk off material. do you honestly expect intelligent educated people to subject themselves to the mindless paranoid delusions of closet homosexuals and meth heads prancing around as conservatives worshiping the coke head bankers? seriously you have got to be fucking kidding.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

would I kid you ? ☺


but there is plenty of insanity on this site,
but I really think vulgarity & slurs are not helpful

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I wouldnt humor either of those either. If you cant see they are pushing mainstream dribble then Im not sure what to tell ya...

Why do you always go from one extreme to the other? From one side to the other? Its almost as if that reaction is the result of decades of media propaganda.

Reply to what was written, dont attack the poster, right? haha.

[-] 2 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Alexis Goldstein is a smart, effective, unofficial spokesperson for this great progressive movement.

I have only ever seen her (or any Occupiers) on Hayes show. No other MSM even considers our position.

But you have never supported Occupy so I understand how exposure for our positions would generate (from you) such a vehement, dishonest, disjointed, tirade from you.

So if Hayes annoys you then he must be doing something right.

LOL

I suppose you wanna talk about usernames now HC?

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

Democracy Now is the best weekly daily news show bar none imho. It you are not watching Democracy Now you are fucking up. You can watch it on Link Tv on your local cable provider or you can watch it on http://www.democracynow.org/. MSNBC is the enemy. Why do you think the Young Turks left?

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Democracynow is excellent.

Hayes always runs progressive discussions with the best guests. including not only occupy supporters and frequently the same guests as Democracy now but also Amy Goodman, and Juan Gonzales. Have you heard of them?

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Ive met Amy and she is very humble, considerate person.

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Amy is a frequent guest on Hayes show. I trust her more than your lyin ass.

LMFAO

[+] -6 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

No one person speaks for the group. Your label of "spokesperson" shows your ignorance.

[-] 2 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

'Unofficial spokesperson' is accurate.

Your immature, pedantic, distractions are a desperate reach, & attempt to avoid the substance of the thread topic, and shows your vacant position.

And we are ALL spokespeople. Except you right? You are clearly anti Occupy. right?

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

nice edit.

There is nothing immature about getting to the roots of things.

Immature is typing "LOL" when discussing attacking Africa.

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

I was laughing at your distraction of bringing up exec orders/foreign attacks when the thread topic was gitmo.

So that nonsense, and this dishonest twisting is just more desperation.

If you can't stick to the truth then you should just be a grown up and submit to your failure..

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Orders for war and not for stopping torture. Go figure. Well, they still have you wrapped around their finger, so no need to change I guesss.

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Stop babbling. Make some sense!! Get back on topic! Have I got you so flustered you can't focus? LOL.

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You are still endorsing torture. Enjoy. Hell is hot and they have about 5 seats for all you handles.

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

I'm an atheist. When did I say I endorse torture.? How is that related to the thread topic?. Have I trounced you so thoroughly that you are resorting to making things up out of the blue, and blatant lying?

Desperate, and pathetic.

Just submit to your failure. Be a grown up.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

ahh the old standby non sequitur fallacy bravo!!!

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Did you see me endorse torture non sequitur boy? NO!! You didn't. cause I don't.

So make sense, get your head out of your ass, and stop misusing intelligent sounding terms that you know nothing about.

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You endorse the establishment. The establishment endorses torture. You are guilty. You dont need to openly admit it. Its obvious.

You want proof that the sky is blue too?

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

I never said I endorse the establishment. All my efforts are for radical progressive change.

You don't speak for me. Your constant dishonest personal attacks on me show your weakness.

Just because it leaves your word-hole don't make it true moron! You spew so much falsehoods only a fool would trust your words.

Pathetic, dishonest, Anti occupy partisan, that's you.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

i am a polymath no problems with comprehension here.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

marx is laughing at you from his grave. yeah, yeah sure you are right. we ARE WINNING. what a jack ass.

[-] -1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Fuck you and Marx. Go crawl under the rock in the corner of the cave you have created to hide in fear.

You piece of shit lilly-livered, disruptive, divisive, anti occupy, ignorant, nattering nabob of negativism.

Still laughing shithead?

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

i see through you.

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Not likely. You see about as well you comprehend and recount comments you read.

Poorly and dishonestly.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

by saying marx i take it you reject socialist theory, i am betting you reject anarchist theory to. wow lets go with the old ideas that got us in this mess. brilliant.

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

No I reject your definition of me. You don't speak for me motherfucker.

Stick to the truth. Are you so feeble you must resort to obvious lies?

Weak, pathetic, more OTP crap.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha you are the anti revolutionary.

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

i see the laughing idiot IS still laughing.

Booo!

Ran and hide cockroach, someone turned on a light and we can see the disgusting rot that you embody.

[-] -1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

advocating radical progressive change within the established economic, political, and legal will never be achieved. they control the game by writing the rules to the game as we go. it's the old moving goal post fallacy. we can never win this game. this is why communism which i have never advocated in the past scared america so damn much. it advocates nothing short of the dictatorship of the proletariat and the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie. tptb recognize that this is the only true threat to them and their economic and political interests. this singular tenant is what scares tptb. i can not promise you that a revolution will not spiral out of control. but what i can promise is the path we are currently ensconced on is the path to the police state, mass enslavement and exploitation, mass human death, environmental destruction and devastation, mass species extinction, mass depression and mental illness, stupidity and abject ignorance, mass preventable disease, etc.

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

"never be achieved"? You can stay home and give up!! The rest of us know we MUST fight. WE must agitate in the street for radical progressive change.

"we can never win" ? Please, Not with your defeatist attitude. We WILL win. We ARE winning!!

The power of the people is greater than the people in power.

I will never submit to the apocalyptic, doomsday, fear mongering you espouse. Good luck in your bunker.

I prefer fighting in the light of day for the improvement that will come as we grow this great movement and continue encouraging many progressive groups & empowering millions of people.

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[+] -4 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Hayes- "Regulating agencies dont recieve lobby money, so what gives"- Um, they are appointed by bought out puppets ya clown.

[+] -4 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Alexis had better say "Glass Steagall" at least 5 times in the next segment.

Of course, Hayes is good at getting past the big things and cutting people off when they go too deep.

here we go:

Hayes comparing regulations to basic human rights. Nice Chris. Perhaps the majority of us dont like FASCISM?

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

GE fired Rattigan because he spoke the truth too often.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Can you post a source for this ?

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

They replaced him with that mumbling tool Bashir.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

That is not a source for your claim
GE fired Rattigan because he spoke the truth too often.
How do you know he was fired?
Where is the proof of your claim?

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Any show that has a half hour long discussion on record DOW and no talk of the bailouts, is pretty useless.

85 Billion of OUR money is being sent to Wall ST, to a very select group of people, mainly banks. They are starting to create another commodity bubble with it.

Why is gas $4 a gallon? Bailouts.

Wall St is dependent on bailouts at this point. Its why they arent stopping. And the Wall St owns DC, so DC is dependent on bailouts.

28.3 million a month per county is being stolen. Not a peep on that. Think GE gets a chunk of that?

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Gas is expensive because of corrupt corp 1% fossil fuel industry and their puppets in govt who continue to subsidize & protect them.

How is that bailouts? Moron.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/oil-subsidies-senate-president-obama_n_1387789.html

Can you say republicans are the problem?

Whaddyathink?

[+] -4 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You dont understand how bailouts affect the prices of commodities, on multiple different levels?'

We should all thank god that posting here is about the extent of your action.

Im Tom Cruise and you are Nicolson, fronting for the machine;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Get your head out of your ass. this ain't no hollywood movie. The oil industry has been fucking us long before the bailouts from 2008 & forward

I understand enough to know you are full of shit.

You're just defending the oil industry by trying to deflect the blame to some one other than them.

[+] -4 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

The oil industry is one of the main beneficiaries and creators of the bailouts you twit.

Man,you are freakin dumb.....

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

The oil industry has been screwing us long before Bushs bailouts in 2008!

You need to stop reading Breitbarts propaganda and listen to to progressive commentators.

[+] -4 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Here, listen to Hedge's views about MSNBC. Im going to go out on a wild limb and assume he is more progressive than the people who run GE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCw3g4V5GTE

Bush's Bailouts? Again, ignoring QE1,2,Twist,3 and the current 85 billion show your inablility to discuss ANYTHING from an independent position.

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Qe1, 2, & 3 cam long after Bushs 2008 bailouts. Do I have to educate you on the most simple fundamental facts, idiot?

Saw the Hedges interview already, but thanks.

He said Msnbc is partisan. No shit!!

He said they didn't run the NDAA case story. Sorry not true. They did. but not nearly enough.

So?

Hayes is still running progressive stories every week that support OWS agenda and frequently has Occupy people on air.

None of what Hedges said contradicts those facts.

So you have missed the mark again. Clumsy. oafish, moronic, unrelated, useless, & meaningless.

LOL. I laugh at your poor attempts at arguing effective.

[+] -4 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

That doesnt even make sense.

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Only because you are an abject moron. Ha ha ha ha.

Basically your youtube of hedges is not related to the thread topic that praises Hayes for his continued exposure of occupy, & progressive positions.

Whaddyathink?

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I also like how MSNBC plays songs by people who hate women and glorify violence on their interludes now, like Biggie.

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Aaaaaaah ha ha ha ha. Is that all you got left.?

LMFAO.

You are a fuckin joke!!

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Housing can only destroy you if Glass Steagall is repealed. It was.

Where are the people making noise on reinstate it?

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Where? I would say your just not paying attention but I think you know and just deny all our good efforts.

Here's Alexis former Occupy group suing the SEC over regulations just a week or so ago.

http://occupythesec.nycga.net/2013/03/01/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-week-of-22513/

So pay attention before you slur the decent, hard working people of Occupy, and the few news shows that have us on.

And did you say your guy Breitbart DOES have Occupiers on?

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I didnt hear anyone mention Glass Steagall on that show today. Did you?

And Im obviously not talking about Occupy when I say that, only a very small minded human would think that. And yet you have multiple rental houses and financial investments that allow you to post on here 24/7. So I guess you can be dumb and make money, right?

Go have a pissing match with someone else. And have fun slobbering all over GE, like they dont know what they are doing. And switch your handle to downvote this some more. You are only proving what the real occupy people here already know- you are a fraud.

Duh.

[-] 2 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Attacking me personally (inaccurately) simply shows you are without lucid arguments regarding the thread topic.

Lift up all good exposure for the movement. and the progressive agenda we support!!

Your dishonest exaggerated attack on this frequent excellent outlet for our message shows everyone you are anti Occupy and clearly the real fraud.

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

It doesnt show I dont have an argument. I could run circles around you. You simply arent that educated on the matters, or occupy.

It shows you are a fraud. And a hypocrite.

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

"I'm not educated, on the matters, or occupy"? Still you're talkin about ME!! You are a hopeless moron. Don't you see your incessant distraction of attacking the poster shows you CAN'T argue the thread topic.?

The Hayes show is an excellent outlet for progressive discussion and Occupy exposure, your dishonest, exaggerated, disjointed, illogical attacks on that reality indicates you are obviously anti occupy.

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Who commented on whose thread?

Keep supporting bailouts by avoidance.

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

I commented on Bensdads thread. Duh!

A new lie? When did I avoid bailouts?

Your desperate lies are pathetic.

Occupy exposure, GOOD.

Your Breitbart guy, BAD!

[+] -4 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You commented on my comment.

Ok, you obviously are drunk at noon and looking to argue with people.

Have fun.

Goodbye troll/vkag/repubsrtheproblem/inclusionman

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

I responded to and challenged your bullshit!

You are so pathetic and desperate all you got are hollywood movies, bad rap, and personal attacks.

I'm only saying:

Exposure for Occupy and our progressive agenda is GOOD!

Hayes does that every week, whether Alexis is on or not.

[+] -4 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

There is nothing desperate about stating that avoiding the problems is counter productive.

Hayes is employed by GE. Guess they managed to fool you.

Thank god you stay on your computer most of the time.

Goddbye Vkag.

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

And you are employed by the Kochs right?

[+] -6 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Who's got the money in America chart-

Why has this happened? Couldnt be that we keep voting in the same elitist assholes decade after decade could it? Couldnt be that we keep spending our money on bullshit consumer goods?

[+] -6 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Lets move onto Harris Perry......

Lets see who talks about the bailouts in this discussion of new highs for the DOW.

My guess is no one. Lets see how it goes....

Still waiting..... 5 minutes in and no mention of 4 trillion of bailouts.

Well, commercial break. Guess that 4 trillion is meaningless. Guess 85 billion this march getting injected straight into the playmakers hands doesnt get a mention.

Lots of talk of wage gaps, none of this top-down policy that has been going on for four years, and has been extremely successfull for the very top.

[+] -6 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Bottom of screen shows Boehner and Obama and reads: Where the real battles are fought.

Gimme a break. Someone didnt get the proper amount of creamer in their coffee? Their metamucil too thick?

This shit is too funny. Sad, but funny.

[+] -6 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Hayes on cliimate change- Blaming only Republicans. Says nothing of Democratic acceptance of oil companies. Why dont you mention that you work for GE, one of the leading companies at the root of it?

Hayes on Iraq- more MSM dribble. MSNBC now going to do a special on the 10 yr anniversary of of the Iraq war. How about a Mali update you worm?

Alexis giving props to Jubilee. Good.

[+] -6 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Oh look, the grown men decided to let the woman speak!! Alexis states they should break up the banks. Break up BP too. Sounds good, right?

Hayes responds by saying he loves how she wants to break up all American capitalism, in a friendly way.

See how they do that? Take a decent comment and downplay it off hand? Always the same shit with FOX and MSNBC.

Actually, CHRIS, they dont represent Ameican capitalism. The 3 occupiers I know here who started their own tshirt and printing gig represent that. They are creating their own coopt. The companies you listed represent CORPORATISM you hack.

[+] -6 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Example 4: Hayes- Should they have been harsher? Should they have broken up the banks?

Wtf? Ok, so Raj is now giving us his bullshit reasoning. Pathetic.

Raj on servicers- lets focus on the servicers, not the system. Right on RAj, lets focus on the servicers. They hold the keys. Another cop out.

Hayes- "let me interject- if you make 3000 page bills you increase the machine. Why should we not humor this?"

Um, Hayes, we need a one page bill: Glass Steagall is now reinstated. Done. Freakin moron.

[+] -6 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Eh, just another Democrat trying to save face.

Here we go, time to correct the propaganda:

First off, people get invited back onto mainstream media because they are nice and play ball. Where's Jeremy Schahil? Oh ya.

"No one person speaks for the group". Thank god.

Example one: 9:25am Chart shows that financial guys meeting more with Reps than Dems. Clearly an attempt to show Dems are better. Doesnt mention anything about TRILLIONS IN BAILOUTS. Skewed.

Most Americans realize its pointless to argue about financial aspects in a two party paradigm. How many decades of bullshit do they need?

Example 2: Staffers are overwhelmed. Yes they are, with total bullshit why the big issues are ignored.

Example 3: Hayes- "Dodd-Frank was constructed with a lot of lattitude for the regulators, a stragic decision to get the thing passed". Um, actually the only thing DoddFrank was made to do was put smaller banks out of business- been very successfull at that with hundreds failing and even more being bought out- because the people that wrote it WORK FOR THE BIG BANKS.