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Forum Post: 35 Fuckin Years!!

Posted 11 months ago on Aug. 21, 2013, 10:13 a.m. EST by TropicalDepression (-45)
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Theres your fuckin system for ya.

This is a sad sad day.

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[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3280) 11 months ago

Yes 35 years for exposing crimes, including cold blooded killing and the out right murder of those who came to the aid of the murdered. What am I talking about? Anyone see or remember the murder of the Reuters journalists and those with them in Iraq by the Apache helicopter crew? - And how many years did the actual murderers get? Of course these days, why have manned helicopters when you can cold kill with drones? Just in case anyone thinks that this can only happens in far flung places, please see http://www.nationofchange.org/militarizing-america-s-police-forces-1377085678 and wake up to reality.

Never Give Up Exposing The War Machine! Occupy Peace and Fairness! Solidarity to Bradley Manning.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

The state is effectively taking a bunch of Mahonys and Procters, and training them to be Tackleberry. What a colossal mess we are creating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJdmnMtpAwI

haha, I think that will be next post... The Rise of Officer Tackleberry

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3280) 11 months ago

Larry Summers would be in jail and Pvt. Manning walking the streets as a free person, IF there was any true justice in this world and here's why - http://www.nationofchange.org/larry-summers-and-secret-end-game-memo-1377266262 .

Lol at your 'The Rise Of Officer Tackleberry' and video but sorry to say that that NoC link is enough to wipe the smile off anyone's face and even possibly turn them into a raving Tackleberry - and that would be perfectly understandable I believe.

With a view to your OP - http://www.nationofchange.org/bradley-manning-and-gangster-state-1377263788 - a sobering piece by Chris Hedges.

Never Give Up Exposing The Bankers And Their Wars! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity to #S17!

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

Incredible article on "end game" scenario. Over the course of just a couple decades they have taken mankind and pitting everyone against one another, while capitalizing on both sides. Sick sick stuff.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3280) 11 months ago

'The Rise Of Officer Tackleberry' and where and how it is getting us all -

http://www.warresisters.org/sites/default/files/FY2014piechart-englishbw.pdf

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/08/pentagon-sequester-baseline-budget

http://www.nationofchange.org/larry-summers-ineffectual-regulator-tall-tales-white-house-1377262549

Whereas Pvt. Bradley Manning gets 35 years in jail for exposing murderous war crimes!

Never Give Up Exposing The Hypocrisy Of The War Machine! Occupy Peace & Solidarity!

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

Just so we are clear, Manning did plead guilty to what amounts to 20 years. The prosecutor asked for sixty.

The judge’s decision to impose a 35-year sentence roughly split the difference between what the prosecution had requested — 60 years — and the 20 years that Private Manning had exposed himself to when he pleaded guilty to a lesser version of the charges he was facing before the trial began. Under the military system, convicts are eligible for parole after serving a third of their sentences, and Private Manning is receiving 1,294 days credit — a little more than three years — for time already in custody and for a 112-day period in which the judge ruled he was mistreated during pretrial confinement.

Colonel Lind could have sentenced Private Manning, 25, to up to 90 years. There was no minimum sentence.

Private Manning’s sentence must be reviewed by the so-called convening authority, a general who oversees the Military District of Washington and has the power to reduce it but not add to it. The case will then automatically be sent to the Army Court of Criminal Appeals.

Before the next phase can begin, the entire court-martial proceedings must be turned into an official transcript, which the defense, the prosecution and the judge must approve. That process is expected to take considerable time. Pretrial hearings started in 2012, and the trial itself began in early June. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/22/us/manning-sentenced-for-leaking-government-secrets.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

Have you ever been forced to plead guilty because if you went with not guilty, the sentence that would be handed down would be so terrifying, and the deck is stacked against you?

Millions upon millions have. Its fucked up. This is all total bullshit regardless.

Absolute total fuckin bullshit. These WARS MUST END.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

J...............when the zombie apocalypse comes I don't want to wind up anywhere you are. I'm not so sure that you can handle the stress.

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

Haha, thats a good one.

So thats a no of you never having to make that decision? Its not fun.

We had a discussion a while ago after a GA that at the very least we have created a network of people who are willing to work together if things got really crazy.

But yes, in case of zombie apocalypse, if I saw you on the side of the road I would offer you a ride. ZD and Shooz too :0 People are always much more enjoyable and agreeable in person than on the internet.

I would hope you three would do the same for me.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

Absolutely not. I am, however, well versed on that topic. The point is not that we don't know that Manning got shafted. We know this. Now, we are looking at two (three w/ transcripts) more steps.

a general who oversees the Military District of Washington and has the power to reduce it but not add to it. The case will then automatically be sent to the Army Court of Criminal Appeals.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

Or a pardon and a massive reduction in military bullshit.

I guess Im setting my sights on a decent society again.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

Uh.......with the military? The group of people that have spent more energy trying to nail this guy as a cover for the shit that he exposed?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

So, when did you say that he would be up for parole, again?

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[-] -2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

Allegedly in 10 years. Does that make it better for you? Feel better about the system?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

He's up for parole in a little over 8 years. Which system was that again?

[-] -2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

The one you are living in, as I am. The one where war is perpetual and the ones trying to stop it go to jail.

[-] -2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 11 months ago

When is George Zimmerman up for parole?

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago
[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

It's sad to see a government disparate over its secrets

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

I wonder if there are any government officials that are glad about what he did.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Depends on their portfolio?

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

Heheheh, that certainly would skew their perception

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Gotsta remove them thar very obvious conflicts of interest.

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

Wha!!?? I thought our hallowed leaders were above that sort of thing.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Wha!!?? I thought our hallowed leaders were above that sort of thing.

ROFLMF'nAO

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

Damn DA, sorry 'bout that! Hope it didn't hurt too bad, heheheh.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Damn near tore open my gut and wet my pants. Still can't see through the tears.

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

Hey, better to laugh about the situation in DC than to cry, eh? They are a bunch of clowns after all.

Now, I'm off to look at your new links on the totally awesome Monsanto thread. ;-)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Monsatan/Abomination

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

Damn right!

NOW I'm off to the thread. Got distracted talking to the sister.

But I'll leave you with this before someone beats me to it. I'll post it over there also:

http://www.naturalnews.com/041737_Monsanto_share_prices_hedge_funds.html

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6111) from St Louis, MO 7 minutes ago

Damn straight. You know a 10% drop in three months is serious for any stock. And it probably doesn't bode too well when major hedge funds start dumping it. The next few months will be very telling, especially after October. And the fight in Africa might be the deciding factor. Their pushing it hard there, but they're getting a lot of push-back. That's the last major market for them. They fail there, and there's hope.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

A possible bright spot on the near horizon.

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

It definitely is. At one time I figured Monsanto was "too big to fail" but if the stock drop really is related to the global backlash, it proves to us that the power really is in the people after all.

And if Monsanto can be put in their place, then so can a lot of others. Especially considering Monsanto doesn't really make its revenue directly from the consumer. Point being, if someone like Monsanto can take a hit, then so can people like Walmart, 'cause Walmart DOES make its money directly from the consumer. I think that makes sense, heheh.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6124) from St Louis, MO 0 minutes ago

"Did I mention that I feel that Greed is a form/part of insanity?"

Hehehe, I believe you did, DK. I believe you did. And denial is certainly coming into play. Maybe if they deny it long enough it'll just go away and the profits will start rising again. You have to wonder how people that are so short-sighted get to be so wealthy.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

" You have to wonder how people that are so short-sighted get to be so wealthy. "

Does tend to make one wonder if there truly is an evil and active force loose in the world. Hey?

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

It certainly does. I'm certainly beginning to think so.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6117) from St Louis, MO 6 minutes ago

Yeah, and now they've started a "Buy American" campaign:

http://news.walmart.com/executive-viewpoints/inside-walmarts-50-billion-buy-american-campaign

It's all just PR bullshit though. The amount of American jobs created with this won't put a dent in the amount of jobs off-shored by them.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

" It's all just PR bullshit though. " - YEP - I have not looked at the link yet - however their policy towards their employees is quite clear - and we don't need more workers requiring welfare for support.

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

Oh yeah, you don't really need to look at the link to know what's up. We are talking about Walmart after all. And considering the timing of this campaign, it's all just damage control from all the bad press they've been getting. And profits have been down for a year, I'll bet, so they're thinking some good PR will get people back in the stores.

I saw a segment on the Weather Channel one morning recently where an analyst was blaming the weather for poor sales overall. What none of these clowns seem to get is people aren't spending money because, . . . They DON'T HAVE ANY TO SPEND.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6117) from St Louis, MO 0 minutes ago

It is a promising sign, that's for sure. Now if only this sort of awareness and solidarity could trickle over to other sectors, like fast food workers and service industry personnel. We need boycotts of Walmart and fast food, for better wages.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

More and more groups are surfacing with the same agendas - like - boycotting wallmart in support of striking workers looking for a living wage. Wallfart is starting to spend money on adds saying how wonderful they are to work for - HAH.

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

Yeah, and now they've started a "Buy American" campaign:

http://news.walmart.com/executive-viewpoints/inside-walmarts-50-billion-buy-american-campaign

It's all just PR bullshit though. The amount of American jobs created with this won't put a dent in the amount of jobs off-shored by them.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6111) from St Louis, MO 1 minute ago

Dump - slump - rebuy? Always a possibility, but the stock has lost about $12 from it's May high. That's quite a drop in three months, a little over 10%.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

1st consider - how long has the stock being dumped been in the possession by the dumper? Did they realize more from the rise of the stock over time then they lost in the drop? Did they actually lose any money in dumping? How low will the stock price drop? Could a real killing be made as well as secure a very large block of stock ( ownership ) by causing a panic sale?

Ooops almost forgot

2nd - consider the hands off monsatan legislation.

Oooops almost forgot

Stock Market - Smoke & Mirrors.

But all that ( above ) being said - One can hope that monsatan will go belly up. Hey?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

AHHH a fine summer's night - just listen to those crickets

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[-] -3 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

Sorry 'bout that, DK. Had to run to the store for a few things. Sometimes that comes up rather unexpectedly around here. Let me go on a different website for a few and I'll be right back. Just wanted to check something.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Sweet? Unless more outright price manipulation - dump - slump - rebuy.

Tweet - in the hopes that it is real trouble for monsatan.

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

Insider traders begin dumping Monsanto stock as reality of GMOs sinks in across Wall Street http://www.naturalnews.com/041737_Monsanto_share_prices_hedge_funds.html … via @HealthRanger

SWEET?

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

Dump - slump - rebuy? Always a possibility, but the stock has lost about $12 from it's May high. That's quite a drop in three months, a little over 10%.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6117) from St Louis, MO 0 minutes ago

Oh yeah, you don't really need to look at the link to know what's up. We are talking about Walmart after all. And considering the timing of this campaign, it's all just damage control from all the bad press they've been getting. And profits have been down for a year, I'll bet, so they're thinking some good PR will get people back in the stores.

I saw a segment on the Weather Channel one morning recently where an analyst was blaming the weather for poor sales overall. What none of these clowns seem to get is people aren't spending money because, . . . They DON'T HAVE ANY TO SPEND.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

" so they're thinking some good PR will get people back in the stores. "

Typical - but actually the workers should take heart as the bastards are obviously feeling the pressure.

" What none of these clowns seem to get is people aren't spending money because, . . . They DON'T HAVE ANY TO SPEND. "

Too True - it's like they are telling themselves - If we deny it long enough and hard enough well then it won't be true and we will be all good again.

Did I mention that I feel that Greed is a form/part of insanity?

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

"Did I mention that I feel that Greed is a form/part of insanity?"

Hehehe, I believe you did, DK. I believe you did. And denial is certainly coming into play. Maybe if they deny it long enough it'll just go away and the profits will start rising again. You have to wonder how people that are so short-sighted get to be so wealthy.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6111) from St Louis, MO 0 minutes ago

It definitely is. At one time I figured Monsanto was "too big to fail" but if the stock drop really is related to the global backlash, it proves to us that the power really is in the people after all.

And if Monsanto can be put in there place, then so can alot of others. Especially considering Monsanto doesn't really make its revenue directly from the consumer. Point being, if someone like Monsanto can take a hit, then so can people like Walmart, 'cause Walmart DOES make its money directly from the consumer. I think that makes sense, heheh.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

Yep - maybe this will help the PEOPLE to remember that THEY ARE THE MARKET - so they damn well can control it.

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

It is a promising sign, that's for sure. Now if only this sort of awareness and solidarity could trickle over to other sectors, like fast food workers and service industry personnel. We need boycotts of Walmart and fast food, for better wages.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6111) from St Louis, MO 0 minutes ago

Yeah, there's been a lot of that lately. Oops, maybe I better not say that. When shadz made a comment a week or so ago about how slow the forum seemed, the comment was shadow-banned for some inexplicable reason.

But I went over to one of the financial websites and noticed that all three major US indices had a drop around July but then rebounded. Monsanto, on the other hand, started its drop right around the March on Monsanto protest in May and has been dropping ever since. Coincidence? Let's hope not. And it's less than two months before the next protest. I'm thinking this one will be much bigger since it coincides with World Food Day, so a lot of people worldwide are going to have their minds on the situation.

I can't wait. I plan on making it this time, too.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

Like I said - It would be so nice if the trouble proved to be real and fatal for monsatan - that would really provide hope for the future.

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

Damn straight. You know a 10% drop in three months is serious for any stock. And it probably doesn't bode too well when major hedge funds start dumping it. The next few months will be very telling, especially after October. And the fight in Africa might be the deciding factor. They're pushing it hard there, but they're getting a lot of push-back. That's the last major market for them. They fail there, and there's hope.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34982) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6110) from St Louis, MO 8 minutes ago

Sorry 'bout that, DK. Had to run to the store for a few things. Sometimes that comes up rather unexpectedly around here. Let me go on a different website for a few and I'll be right back. Just wanted to check something.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

Sorry for what? Nothing to be sorry about - you did not leave me hanging. I was just noticing the sudden and abrupt quiet - funny how those sudden lulls just happen.

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

Yeah, there's been a lot of that lately. Oops, maybe I better not say that. When shadz made a comment a week or so ago about how slow the forum seemed, the comment was shadow-banned for some inexplicable reason.

But I went over to one of the financial websites and noticed that all three major US indices had a drop around July but then rebounded. Monsanto, on the other hand, started its drop right around the March on Monsanto protest in May and has been dropping ever since. Coincidence? Let's hope not. And it's less than two months before the next protest. I'm thinking this one will be much bigger since it coincides with World Food Day, so a lot of people worldwide are going to have their minds on the situation.

I can't wait. I plan on making it this time, too.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

that still have jobs

who knows ?

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

I like what someone said the other day that by trying him for aiding the enemy, while the only thing he did was release information to the general public, that we have to now assume and realize that

WE ARE THE ENEMY.

After the plowed NDAA through, is there any real doubt now that we are simply an obstacle or farm animals to be used and abused?

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

Hmmm, that's a damn good point. "Aiding the enemy" by releasing information to the general public. Therefore general public = the enemy. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

Supporting the general welfare is in the constitution

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

Good point, and that's a good enough reason to pardon him right there. He was looking out for our welfare, as he promised to do when he took that oath.

[-] -1 points by DahliaD (0) 11 months ago

Promoting the general welfare is part of the Preamble. It's an introductory statement establishing the justification of government and goals of the Constitution. It doesn't provide any powers of government or rights to the individual.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

Article 1 Section 8

[-] -3 points by gnomunny (5804) from St Louis, MO 11 months ago

Thanks for the reminder. My remark wasn't meant to be taken totally serious, by the way. I didn't mean to imply he had any legal standing under the Constitution.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

Public smear campaign of Manning keeps going.

Now they are saying that Mannings lone statement released says "I want to begin hormone therapy as soon as possible."

Really? Whether he is gay or not, when facing 35 years and getting processed again, I doubt this is what he is saying.

And then this dumb woman on MSNBC lone comment afterwards "He's obviously a troubled person" Another guy "So does he want the military to pay for his sex change?"

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

MSNBC: Longest sentence ever handed down to someone who leaked info to the press.

Who is John Pollard? http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/jonathan_j_pollard/index.html

[-] -1 points by forourfutures (393) 11 months ago

America has been unAmerican for 100 years for a reason. In 1911 the states requisite of applications for an Article V convention was met.

Why?

Because the states knew the fed was planning to move off the gold standard.

Do you know what happened next?

[-] -3 points by itsmyblood (10) 11 months ago

that is as long as i am old. just look at the comments on the story as well, people are cheering this shit on. what a dark day for freedom, liberty, and above all transparency. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/21/us-usa-wikileaks-manning-idUSBRE97J0JI20130821

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

Here one of em :

"What a sham. He should have been shot, but now he’ll get out after writing a book and be a liberal hero following a counterfeit wedding with his “gay” life partner. America is history."

Unreal. The war loving neocons are sealing their own fate and are too flippin dumb to realize it.

[+] -4 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 11 months ago

And now, back to our regularly scheduled program, talking about repelicans and whatnot.............

[+] -4 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 11 months ago

Harsh. They were trying for 15 I'd guess. I was hoping they would take into account how much younger people are exposed to classified info these days. Obviously they wanted to make an example of him. Now everyone knows. War is a crime and a racket but you won't get off easy if you pull a Manning.