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Forum Post: 100% employment for college graduates?

Posted 12 years ago on March 13, 2012, 2:59 p.m. EST by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai
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Where in the world could that be? Certainly not here in the US. You may be surprised to know that it is in Tibet where college graduates are so fortunate:

Tibet Promises Jobs for All College Graduates

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-03/13/c_122830659.htm

What with all the China bashing that is so prominent in American media, this may be hard to believe. However, over the past five years, Tibet has experienced an of average 12% growth in GDP.

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[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 12 years ago

was that work in companies that have outsourced all the american jobs? they would of course need some college graduates in management over there. i suppose it would be applaudable if they only worked in china based companies

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

I'm not sure, but this is Tibet we're talking about. From what I know, most of their exports go to Nepal and other central Asian countries, rather than the west.

[-] 1 points by RayLansing (99) 12 years ago

"Last year, the employment rate of college graduates in Tibet reached almost 100 percent, as 12,322 students of the total 12,407 graduates found work."

America has a far larger pool of graduates so it is a much greater challenge. I do admire the actual effort to get college graduates employed and can only hope U.S. authorities would do the same.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

True, considering that the population of Tibet is only two million people, you would have to compare it to a city in the US. But still, I doubt that there are any cities of two million people in the US that offer 100 percent job placement for college graduates.

[-] 1 points by RayLansing (99) 12 years ago

Especially in times like this.. it is unfortunate but you are probably right.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

Perhaps we should consider some of the things China is doing as a means of turning around our own economy. I'm not talking about becoming communists, I mean infrastructure development projects.

For example, China has been in the process of building a vast bullet train network linking all of its major cities. Why can't we do the same?

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[-] -1 points by JesusDemocrat (193) 12 years ago

Who loans them any money to attend school, if they have to borrow any, and who exactly employs them? The government on both accounts?

I dunno, I attended college twice. The first time I paid the entire freight. The second time my employer did in exchange for a contractual agreement in which he would be repaid as I went.

It wasn't easy working a full time job and going to school full time, but, you can do anything for a long time when you're young.

[-] 1 points by RayLansing (99) 12 years ago

Yes, it is really not as clear cut on who employs the graduates when we have a significantly larger number of graduates than Tibet. The article did mention the use of government incentives to maximize employment rate:

"Last year, the government started to offer cash incentives to graduates who were employed by private businesses and promised to reimburse university fees or write off student loans for graduates who work in the private sector for more than five years, officials said. "

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 12 years ago

The problem is that there are too many 'college graduates' who do not have marketable skills.

I realize that fine arts have their place in a modern society, but the fact it that people pursuing degrees in such fields cannot hope for 100% or even very well paying employment.

We need to get our colleges pumping out teachers, engineers, doctors and scientists. Not artists or assorted humanities majors, lawyers and financiers.

[-] 1 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 12 years ago

I doubt Tibetans are getting "soft" degrees like most Americans.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

Personally, I believe the problem is more with the economy. If we were to look at the Chinese strategy for coping with the international economic crisis we would see that they took something like FDRs New Deal approach to keeping themselves out of it.

If we were to take the comprehensive FDR approach to recovery, we could have a booming economy with more jobs for everybody, just like the Chinese have.

[-] 1 points by Normalperson1 (119) from Indianapolis, IN 12 years ago

The FDR approach did not even work back then, it took WWII to kick the system here. Back then we did use a lot of man power, Not well paying but better then nothing and there also was no environment impact studies that take 1-3 year to do before anything was done, then the lawsuits from groups not wanting it to happen, and all the money to buy the permits from the government. As he added more BS to getting anything done it cost more and takes more time then ever. Hell even Obama found out that there are no shovel ready jobs until the the BS is done first. China dose NOT have that issue. Government said do this and it gets done. China may not be free but it is Efficient, hmmm just like the Socialist Democratic Party in Germany was in the 1930's

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

I think that ideas discrediting FDR are originally from anti American propaganda.

[-] 0 points by myjart (21) 12 years ago

Pleeeeeeeeeeeze FDR was a rich spoiled brat, just like his uncle TDR.

Hoover ran the country into the ground and FDR was able to grab power like never before in USA history.

He stole enough to win 3 elections, as in ameriKKKa the secret to winning elections is to steal from one group and transfer the wealth to a larger group.

Funny the FDR policy is exactly what OWS advocates, ..funny indeed.

FDR came from the richest and most powerful family in ameriKKKa the 'roosevelt' family, yet he was able to model himself as champion of the poor.

Funny SOROS put together and financed CANVAS (arab-spring) & OWS, and SOROS the banker is a hero to OWS sheep

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

taxation of the rich is the easiest way to put money back into the economy

[-] 0 points by myjart (21) 12 years ago

A BOT speaks from the heart.

Would like that child's heart boiled? Or will you have it served raw? [ Scene from BladeRunner on discriminating a BOT from a human ]

No the easiest way to put money into the economy in the USA is print more, and more, and more, ... call it QE1, ... QE3, ... QEn,....

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

Like I said, I think it was Wall Street and the City of London that came up with such ideas about FDR originally.

[-] 0 points by myjart (21) 12 years ago

The Roosevelt family, goes back to Plymouth Rock, and they were a Westpoint family, of the highest military standards. Trouble was that FDR & TDR were such silver spooned that both had health problems all their lives.

Probably #1 reason TDR/FDR played tough and liked to kill and start war's was they were weak as sick children, ... and later in life had to prove they were men. This can all be attained by reading their bio's.

[-] 0 points by myjart (21) 12 years ago

You fuckers ought read 'rough riders' from TDR where he talks about FDR and himself child-hood, he also writes about his love for Hearst and engineering the Cuban War so he could go to CUBA and shoot cuban's in the back, as TDR/FDR were hunters their greatest love of 'hunt' was hunting humans, ... funny that assholes always pick and choose what they love about the politicians,

Not unlike Obama's past where he belonged to the most racist church in America ( REV Wright 20+ years ), .... yet not a peep today.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

I'm not likely to take reading suggestions from a foul mouthed slob.

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 12 years ago

To be sure, economic recovery is essential to provide more jobs, but the our youth needs to be prepped with the right skills to bring about the recovery and to take on the jobs that such a recovery might bring. Of course a recovery will depend on a number of other things, but those are beyond the scope of the thread.

The Chinese along with most other Asian education systems is radically different from systems in the USA.

Children there are nearly all expected to learn math and science regardless of their eventual career goals. Practically every child follows almost an identical curriculum up to High School level. No exceptions. Very few choices and no take backs.

In India (and other Asian countries), upon entering High School, students have 3 choices. They can enter the Arts stream, Commerce stream or Science stream, all 3 with fixed specialized curriculum which bring the students up to level of the end of freshman year of college in comparable 'streams' in the USA.

Its a big head start and it forces the youth to make decisions about their future careers early on and sets them on a focused path rather then just drifting through high school and the first year or so of college.

Enrollment in Humanities and Arts streams in Asian countries is very low. In Asian countries, no one enters these streams lightly. Parents need plenty of convincing before they put up the money for something like that. The students have made a commitment and they know it.

In the US however, plenty of students just go into these types of degree programs with no real drive or appreciation of the risk they are taking. Not all, but a fair few.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

That all makes sense. The only thing that I would add is that we need much more education, training or apprenticeships in the trades. I think about a third of our economy should be engaged in manufacturing, and that would require a lot of skilled workers. Even Chinese students are starting to go back for training in a trade, after graduating from college.

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 12 years ago

It used to be that kids and teens would pick up trades watching their parents do things around the house, helping out friends and family with DIY projects and such. That's what I did anyway... can operate most of the basic tools in shops and could build practically any kind of furniture given the right equipment. Learned how to take care of most minor plumbing issues from part timing at a hardware store and following their in-house plumber to work. Also do most of the maintenance on my vehicle and such.

Problem nowadays is that kids are over entertained and expect to be entertained rather than engaging in useful and often times enjoyable work.

Smartphones, tablet pc's, gaming consoles are all probably nice things to have as teens, but they are a phenomenal waste of time that could be spent learning skills that would serve you well in sticky situations.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 12 years ago

China bashing is unfortunately also prominent on this forum as well. Good that you bring some light on the matter.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-chinese-people-support-their-government-for-go/#comment-676196

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

Yes, having lived in China for a year, I think it would do most Americans good to go and have a look for themselves at what daily life is like there. In the big cities, its not too different from here, and in the country, its rapidly improving.

[-] 0 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Amazing the knee jerk anticommunism you find on this forum. It's very well known and well understood by literate people everywhere that China is advancing rapidly on almost every front and that the Chinese people support and defend their government and the Chinese Communist Party.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

Wouldn't you agree though that China is more of a composite economy, including both communist and capitalist components?

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Yes. The state is still the state built by the red Mao led revolution. It has preserved central planning of the economy and the leaders fear the masses which is what we need here. I don't think there was any alternative but to open China to the world economy with limits and constraints and therefore, to an extent play by the enemy's rules, given it's his football.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

That's true, but since the world economy began collapsing, China has been moving towards greater self reliance. I think we should do the same here in the US.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 12 years ago

The people who run this country do not care about the well being of the majority. An economy that can't be planned can't do much good in times like this.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

I think some of the people who run this country are outright hostile to the majority and would like to see their number drastically reduced.

What do you think of FDR's New Deal as an approach to planned economy?

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 12 years ago

First I am familiar with Larouchism. Larouche is a very brilliant man who gets lots of things right but he's a stealth fascist. Now we got that out of the way.

The New Deal wasn't a planned economy and of course while perhaps it eased the impact of the Great Depression it did not end it. WWII did that and the aftermath of that war left the USA dominating the planet and the world economy for a few decades.

Nothing is going to bring that back.

Yes there has been bellowing since Malthus about "too many people" and newer variants like "energy crisis". This is really genocide talk.

No one in power today is going to build a railroad from Moscow to Chicago, btw.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

I think the New Deal helped to develop our manufacturing sector which is what allowed us to win WW2.

FDR's plan for after the war was to use the US war machine, that is, manufacturing capacity, to export equipment to third world nations on credit, allowing them to develop their economies and repay the credit issued to them from increased revenues.

We don't need to go back to a post-war economy. We need to move ahead to a national bank, or credit system, that will allow us to rebuild our D grade infrastructure and manufacturing capacity, and once again embrace the notion of developing the third world through export of our advanced goods.

This is related to the idea of an international railroad system. Along with the return to an international fixed exchange rate, which would allow nations to work together to build it.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 12 years ago

"I think the New Deal helped to develop our manufacturing sector which is what allowed us to win WW2."

I know that a lot of infrastructure projects like the Triboro bridge were built, I wasn't aware that industry that could be converted to war production was particularly built up under the New Deal.

As for the US providing advanced goods to the third world, I think China and Germany will be there first.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

Regarding the New Deal, I've heard it explained that way, but I can't find any sources to quote.

China doesn't have the capacity to manufacture as high a level of technology, that the US is capable of. Germany can do high tech manufacturing, but doesn't have the capacity, which we have as a potential, to supply the whole world.

[-] 0 points by myjart (21) 12 years ago

Yep, that's why the iPad,and iPhone, and all iShit are made in China, ... cuz USA can't make anything that anybody wants.

The USA hasn't invested in its infrastructure for 40 years, because the customers are MAX'd out on debt, in Asia most don't have debt, that's why ALL the factorys for cars and electronics are in asia, close to the customer,... funny just about everybody in Asia has an iPhone or clone, yet most US folks are in the stone-age.

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[-] -1 points by rstedbe (-1) 12 years ago

Take your socialist bandwagon elsewhere

[-] 0 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Elsewhere than an Occupy website? I don't think so.

[-] 1 points by rstedbe (-1) 12 years ago

Must be OWS is all about communism eh?? Obama = OWS = Socialism

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 12 years ago

I do believe the reason college gads in china have jobs is because the chinese government will only allow degrees in areas where there are jobs.

I read an article about that about a month ago. China is very selective in only allowing college degrees so that when a person graduates they will have a job.

Here's the link http://www.bigwowo.com/2011/11/china-to-cancel-college-degrees-where-grads-cant-find-work/

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

it's a mistake

the people will be happier if they pursue all knowledge

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 12 years ago

I don't disagree but china can do what they want -- did you notice the link that says more students are coming to the USA for degrees then ever before.

They know we are the best when it comes to educating people in private institutions.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

I've never met any of these highly private educated scholars

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 12 years ago

I never have either but I am sure there are some around somewhere.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Dr. Cornel West is from princetown but I haven't met him

Acclaimed professor and activist Dr. Cornel West was arrested with 18 others on the steps of the Supreme Court building in Washington DC on Saturday during a local demonstration with the growing Occupy Wall Street movement.

http://rt.com/usa/news/professor-cornel-west-people-037/

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[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

Maybe they will get a job in an Apple factory making iPads for $3 an hour. That is employment in that commie wonderland.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

Strange, how its an American/international company making the products in China for $3 an hour.

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

Not strange at all. Par for the course.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

Actually, having lived in China, I've seen that many Chinese people prefer to work for foreign companies, because, they say the foreign companies are safer and better organized. Of course, there are some bad apples.

In one way, I think, China is better than the US, which is that it is moving forward. If the US ever decides to move forward once again, we could rapidly outpace China.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 12 years ago

We can't move foreward because we have forwarded everything to china.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

Yes, we would have to rebuild much.

[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

Good for them But if the Communist Party refuses to take care of the worker( funny, isn't that what Marxist-Leninist filth are supposed to do?) then that is their problem.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

Yes, but we can help them with it, and earn a profit through joint ventures. There is a hunger for western things in China.

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