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the food should be distributed
Ok, why is this news? You have an entire group of people that actually does this without any crisis and it is because they can. Big write up. Further, you have lots of homeless people that do this on a regular basis because they have no choice.
What I think is piss poor is a lot of places - that sell groceries - major store chains - will toss out the food - rather then even give it away before it spoils - so that they can claim it on insurance.
Ummm just a thought but - shouldn't our major food centers have some sort of redundant back-up power supply?
Oh - on that thought shouldn't our transportation fuel centers have something of the same?
What kind of piss poor planning for disaster overlooks adequate back-up Power systems - for essential services?
No this is not about the east coast or this particular disaster - it is about infrastructure and proper planning - PERIOD - nation wide.
Tossing out the food is the expedient way that serves to shore up the market prices for food (ergo profits of all food vendors) and relieves the major store chains themselves from the possible legal liabilities should anything go wrong with the people who eat the food. In the U.S., the medical costs are probably the highest in the world and lawsuits can cost the losers huge amounts of money. The incentive for businesses is therefore often: better be safe than be sorry (for their profits).
I know, right?
Hey GF - good to hear from ya. Waste it makes me sick.
Well, we have certain restaurants (in some areas) that send over excess food to places like shelters. Which I think is great because it complies with regulations and gets the job done in one swoop.
Yeah we have restaurants that do that as well - makes a nice change from some of the stuff you get in a shelter ( personal experience ).
They have to throw out the foods because the lawyers will sue them.
Quite often local laws require it.
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Actuallty, it was meant as commentary on the fact that they ran this story to begin with. ZOMG. 'Cept they were all ZOMG when there were people doing it before hand. Never ZOMG there are homeless people dumpster diving.........again.
Ok, so the responsibility meme. Really?
Thanks that's all I need to know.
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Can you pick them out of a line up?
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I just want to make sure that I heard you correctly. You said: No, but that's ok because I KNOW that one of ya'll retards didn't leave when you were supposed to AND you didn't stock up like ya'll KNEW you should have.
Thanks, Corium. We are done. This has been enlightening.
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Yes, we should hold all people up to your glorious standards set by your armchair quarterbacking.
You may find couple that could have evacuated but didn't. But, you are mostly going to find people that have no place to go. No money to stay for an indeterminate amount of time or have jobs that prevent them from leaving. Further, prices shoot up on every little thing that is necessary-including gas.
This is going to be lost on you. You need to have your area declared a disaster, hon. It's a process.
For you to sit on the sidelines and be hypercritical makes you a part of the problem.
Except for what rotted in refrigerators without electricity.
anyone with any sense of tomorrow knows that 2 weeks worth of food means food that does not have to be refrigerated and can be eaten without being warmed. CANNED FOOD, manual can opener, bottled water.
If you want, you can "repurpose" my shit. I'll save some for you. Fucking idiot liberals. This is exactly why you and your movement will never EVER amount to anything. You're FREAKS.
you admire dumpster diving??. I suggest you go to NY and do some more "admiring".
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Very true.
Bunch of thieves.
I think they just want free food. They could walk fifteen blocks and find stores open with electricity.
This is how Barack and Bloomberg handle a crisis. Then again...that's what happens when America elects a numb skull community organizer to run the country. The village idiot...soon tossed to the curb.
good post
Already on Monday the White House sent out a lengthy email detailing the government's catastrophe prevention program:
■More than 1,500 disaster workers have been deployed along the East Coast to support states with their search and rescue operations, as well as communications and logistics. ■Another 28 FEMA teams with a total of 294 members will be standing by. ■Three rescue task forces have been set up in the Mid-Atlantic region, with four more on alert. ■Five million liters of water, 3 million meals, 900,000 blankets and 100,000 cots have been sent out. Distribution centers for these items have been set up in New Jersey and Massachusetts. ■The National Guard has deployed 1,900 troops to the affected states. link
There are a lot of things that you can nail the guy for. This isn't one of them.
It's a real shame that the union electrical contractors will not let non union contractors in to help. To me that is UN-American and disgusting
I think that has already been over done here. Next.............
What? Where is Obama's government help? Where is FEMA? Why are precious resources being diverted to downtown so that a Marathon can be held instead of being taken out into neighborhoods to help the cold and starving people of New York???
Marathon has been cancelled, Betsy.
Hope you can somehow run that angst off elsewhere.
Dumpster diving is de riguer in a nation of consumerism and waste.
Get with the program sista.
The reason it was canceled was because THE PEOPLE finally got through to the pulp head running things. Until yesterday afternoon, he was planning to go through with it.
Pulphead meaning the Bloomer?
I know a few people who were quite disappointed it was cancelled. They've been in training for the run for quite some time. Better to get the infrastructure up and running, and make sure people aren't going to freeze to death first though.
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Repair crew travels hundreds of miles to NJ only to be turned away for political reasons:
http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/11/03/union-red-tape-in-n-j-causes-alabama-recovery-crew-to-head-home/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/non-union-ala-utility-crews-returns-home-before-getting-chance-to-help-restore-power-in-nj/2012/11/02/e9f4ccea-252e-11e2-92f8-7f9c4daf276a_story.html
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Non-Union-Utility-Crews-from-Alabama-Turned-Away-From-Helping-NJ-Sandy-Victims-176949061.html
Good. Non union electricians bring down pay for all workers
SCAB! GO HOME SCAB!
Non-Union Crew? Perhaps their bone-fides were not up to snuff to do work to code?
O hell - whats the problem? I got me some rolls of duct Tape and electrical tape -I'll fix it good as new - no prob. - how much you payin agin?
Another example of your fine reasoning and accusatory skills. You don't even know if these people asked to be compensated. Maybe they offered to work for free...TO HELP. The union thugs certainly would never do such a thing and they don't want anyone working for FREE when THEY can earn money for it...to hell with how long people have to wait and suffer for service.
Does not matter if they offered free - if they are not up on code/skill.
Busy again Fred - ummm I mean Bitsy Singer?
And where was it determined that their skills were not up to code? Or is this just another fine example of you posting a "what if" and trying to get people to swallow it as a fact?
You are the one who has obvious problems with facts Fred um Bitsey. So let these individuals with unknown skills do work that may fail - perhaps start fires? I don't think so. That's called being responsible - making sure that people doing critical work are skilled enough to do it.
They were certified utility workers. That is a fact.
Certified by whom? From what state? None of the electrical workers sent out from Minnesota ever get refused - whats up with these guys that makes them unsuitable?
This is why unions suck. Non union electrical contractors try to help after hurricane Sandy are refused unless they join the union.
Is that the case? Or is it a matter of state law and standards/code? What should union matter if like Fred um Bitsey says - that they are doing it for free.
Unions and or State law should not be concerned if they were union or not. The fact is that many need help and then you have shit like this happen. They are electrical contractors and the only difference is that they do not belong to a union
Kev still out on your lark? Well this should make you feel better. The story of refusing workers appears to have been a hoax : ( Bitsey provided a story link and I have copied my reply )
[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (20062) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 minute ago
OK so as your link/story says - workers refused is a hoax story.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/03/christie-threatens-disaster-control-act-order-to-guarantee-nonunion-utility-workers-can-help-restore-nj-power/
“I would invoke my powers under the Disaster Control Act to prevent that from happening, but they’ve assured me we don’t have to.” (RELATED: NJ utility denies turning away nonunion electric crew volunteers from Ala.).
So it would seem an non-issue except for someone trying to stir up trouble for the union
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Ask 1sealyon.
Why? - is not your certification worth anything Fred?
Exactly as much as your lack of certification. :)
I'm not claiming to be a certified electrician - nor am I trying to vouch for any.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/03/christie-threatens-disaster-control-act-order-to-guarantee-nonunion-utility-workers-can-help-restore-nj-power/
Read the story yourself.
OK so as your link/story says - workers refused is a hoax story.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/03/christie-threatens-disaster-control-act-order-to-guarantee-nonunion-utility-workers-can-help-restore-nj-power/
“I would invoke my powers under the Disaster Control Act to prevent that from happening, but they’ve assured me we don’t have to.” (RELATED: NJ utility denies turning away nonunion electric crew volunteers from Ala.).
So it would seem an non-issue except for someone trying to stir up trouble for the union
Fine nuff said.
For the response below: (which is now above)
"RELATED: NJ utility denies turning away nonunion electric crew volunteers from Ala.). So it would seem an non-issue except for someone trying to stir up trouble for the union Fine nuff said."
You have zero reading comprehension. The claim is that the IBEW was the one refusing to let them work, or trying to keep them from helping...NOT the NJ Utility company. And there were crews from Florida as well as Ala.
Try to focus on the actual facts instead of trying so hard to be right that you make an ass out of yourself. Again.
This is just the rest of the nation trying to create another dividing story while the people there are working with each other and trying to do their best.
Union guys and non union guys in the trades are all tradesmen when it comes to helping out their neighbors. Some will do it, others dont care. Who runs their company is irrelevant.
betsy , you're dealing with idiots when you talk to dickie and vacuous. i live at the jersey shore, we saw utility trucks from alabama. alabama is a right to work state.down here we had the power back on tuesday night.
Glad to hear it. Hope you and yours are all well and things aren't too bad for you. Give a holler if there is something that "outsiders" can do to help.
About the idiots. Yes. I know. But even idiots can learn....right?