Forum Post: Miley Cyrus "outrage" & Creeping Conservatism
Posted 10 years ago on Aug. 27, 2013, 7:50 a.m. EST by WSmith
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You Know You Want It: Miley Cyrus "outrage" & Creeping Conservatism http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/miley-cyrus-cant-stop-twerking-at-vmas-2013-20130825
Hearing all the outrage over Miley's "disgusting, obscene, intolerable..." MVA performance is just plain painful. What's with all these Church Ladies?!?
Considering the genre it's ridiculous. It's supposed to be outlandish, avant-garde, edgy, even sexy.
Is it jealousy, Disney or an insidious conservative creep oozing into every aspect of our lives. Everyone is increasingly sooooo f-ing careful and prudent these days. Much worse than PC.
While this disgusting piece of shit and a legion of fellow Hate-Wing hosts, spew, 24/365, with impunity: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/27/rush-limbaugh-huma-abedin-muslim_n_3664662.html
Learning to Hate: How I Fell for the Rightwing Propaganda War Against Progressive Talk Radio: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=10108
The Resurgence of Social Conservatism in 2013? Posted on July 18, 2013
http://theblogofprogress.com/?p=1219
Will we have freedom to marry and freedom to carry, reminisce about reelecting a black Barry, while we return to a new, updated, unctuous, sanctimonious, prudence-for-all Victorian Age?
WTF?
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Very Very Well Said - very well said - thanks. People this is marketing 101 put into action - made real - this is how a product gets sold - in this case - a stab at personal morals. If you ever wondered how we got from Father Knows Best to The Simpsons - this is how it was done. A little bit at a time.
BTW - Marketing 101 and on is just another way of applying psychology and manipulation.
Scandalous Dances: From Tango to Twerking in Two Minutes
Twerking has earned its place in a long history of scandalous dances that have been forbidden.
Read more: http://content.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,2680765823001_2152476,00.html#ixzz2fOYaRS4m
Get over it Church Ladies! There are REAL concerns to focus on, like RebliCon EXTORTION!
Misogyneist.
Now, if you want to go here, I'm with you: http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/09/19/france-wants-to-ban-child-beauty-pageants/
Well good to know that you are not into 8 year old child brides or anything. You are saying that - Right?
People who are liberal, broadminded, progressive, and enjoy healthy sex, are not offended by art, culture and life. But are offended by our sick and twisted child pageantry circuit, Honey BOO BOO, Vomit!!!
But even more, the toppic you supiciously avoid, we are appaulped and reject 24/365/Every City HATE-WING Broadcasts which induce violence and discrimination all over the country!!!!
This is the THE ISSUE here that you consistently AND conspicuously Avoid!!!!
Yes we hate the rushing limpballs programs and all that are like the hate-full asshole.
Still Your view on women is really really poor - to say the least.
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C'mon DKA. Why hasn't Willy been banned?
Why should Willy be banned? Because you disagree with what he writes? I do too, but many people seem to agree. He has almost 4000 points. Look at DKAtoday -531! Anyways, I don't think anyone should be banned. We need different opinions floating around. If DKAtoday bans everyone that thinks differently than him, then there will only by him left! Or, do you propose creating chat bots with the personality of DKAtoday so he can converse with them?
ok,ok....you have a point BUT DKA continues to ban folks for Lord knows why. I have seen him take major offense with Willy a few times this month and just want to know......WHY DOES HE LET WILLY STAY when he bans other people for much less??
AND you know why willy has so many points.....2 yrs of daily posting....well, when he isn';t bensdad or Mideast or gbw or I forget, I saw another one today
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DKAtoday doesn't ban Republicans nor Democrats. He bans anarchists. struggleforfreedom80, Odin, PeterPropotkin, etc...
If you agree with Occupy and don't play into politics, then you have the biggest chance of being banned by DKAtoday.
If you support either political party, then you can do pretty much anything on the site. That includes using profanity, attacking other users, etc...
gnomunny was the last to be banned.
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Yes, I usually am correct. Not because I'm smarter, just because I don't say things unless I'm close to 100% sure.
By the way, a new bug was introduced in the forum a few weeks ago. When a moderator bans you it sometimes does not work. You'll see your comment being removed, but if you refresh the page and comment again it might work. Sometimes it doesn't work. I don't yet understand the bug 100%, but I'm working on it.
Geez...gno got banned? I know you(?) predicted this, but that was a while ago. But now that you mention it, I haven't seen him lately. Has Narley finally bitten the dust, too? Don't think he was an anarchist, he just got into battling Shoes about MI v TX and a little pro gun stuff. And of course, he never swore unlasting feilty to unions!
gnomunny got booted a few days back. I was there when it happened. I don't know about Narley. I predicted he was on the hit list, but haven't really noticed him around or not. Renneye is not booted, but I know for a fact that she doesn't post here anymore because of DKAtoday/shooz. She's just disgusted at the forum's moderation policies.
(Note: Not 100% sure gnomunny was banned. Can't be, don't have access to the server logs. But, I'm 90% sure. If anyone can confirm or infirm this it would be great.)
Too bad about Renneye, she's a nice person. I, too, miss PeterK, Odin, and OTP tho I think he is lurking as someone else. He was a genuine tampa occupier and never understood what he did to get on the bad side of the cliche
May I ask your original username?
You have to understand that DKAtoday has become completely addicted to this forum. He's almost always here. Even when not posting he's lurking in the back reading every single character that goes into the database. He lives for this forum.
His moderation power has also corrupted his soul.
Put those two facts together and it tells you a lot. He's messed up.
Imagine if the highlight of your life was a web forum. Crazy!
What's a misogyneist?
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Miley Cyrus and the issues of slut-shaming and racial condescension
View Photo Gallery — ’N Sync, Miley Cyrus and more MTV VMA top moments: Top moments of the 2013 MTV Video Music Awards include the not-so-surprising ’N Sync reunion, Miley Cyrus twerking, Lady Gaga’s outfit changes and Taylor Swift’s acceptance speech.
By Clinton Yates, Published: August 26
Miley Cyrus is America’s worst nightmare. Last night, with her performance at the MTV Video Music Awards, she proved that many people in this country are still pre-occupied with slut-shaming and coded racial condescension in the context of entertainment.
Her performance of “We Can’t Stop,” a catchy and otherwise seemingly harmless pop song, that transitioned to a duet with Robin Thicke’s “Blurred Lines,” is clearly the most talked about moment of the show, but for all the wrong reasons.
Video: Miley Cyrus and Robin Thicke performed the hit "Blurred Lines" together at the 2013 MTV Video Music Awards: http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/miley-cyrus-and-the-issues-of-slut-shaming-and-racial-condescension/2013/08/26/f3aee436-0e68-11e3-bdf6-e4fc677d94a1_story.html
Miley Cyrus and Robin Thicke performed the hit "Blurred Lines" together at the 2013 MTV Video Music Awards.
Her bawdy performance, that featured Miley and other dancers twerking on stage, drew criticism as lewd, grotesque and shameful. MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski went so far as to say Cyrus “is obviously deeply troubled, deeply disturbed, clearly has confidence issues, probably eating disorder,” on Morning Joe Monday. But what exactly is so disturbing about Miley Cyrus?
It seems that we still can’t handle what it’s like for a young woman to be able to perform, as she chooses, without layering in a heavy helping of insults as well. While Cyrus was condemned for grinding on Thicke, very little criticism has been laid on the singer himself for his role in the performance. The nastiest of the comments have implied that Cyrus is somehow diseased because of her preferred dance methods.
Add to this the fact that some people feel she is appropriating a certain amount of black culture without proper license and you’ve got a cauldron of ignorance and discrimination that even in 2013 is widely regarded as understandable, if not sensible. It is not.
When the white, 20-year-old, former child star and daughter of a country singer goes on stage and does something that the so-called ruling classes deem unseemly, it starts a firestorm. When scores of young women across the globe take the stage to express themselves in exactly the same way at an EDM concert by Diplo, and plaster their exploits all over social networks, no one bats an eye.
By implying that Cyrus is somehow creating a minstrel act of sorts by including black dancers in her act, you are implying that there is something lesser than about such an act. As if it’s completely impossible that she simply enjoys and respects the talents of those she chooses to work with. In short, it is inherently racist to imply that there is anything wrong with anyone other than black women twerking.
So, in 2013 in America, while we celebrate a young man from Seattle for having the courage to make a song out of exploring his thoughts on sexuality as a child, and eventually coming to the conclusion that hate is stupid, Miley doesn't get such a luxury. Even though all she's doing is precisely what we’re celebrating everyone else for: being herself. booyah
What a load of twaddle. Yes any performer should have license to do their own thing in expressing the art - BUT - that expression - should it include promoting child pornography? - should it promote the idea that child sex is ok? - not child sex with another child - no - child sex with who ever is interested - ummmmm - I don't know about you - BUT - I say NOOOOOOO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDvWrpxpJ8U
Some people who can't understand just want to tear down. Nasty.
It's not child porn, but you've reached your belief comfort zone.
The problem is conservative creep, looks like it got you.
The article is excellent.
But the larger, more important, focus is while "the so-called ruling classes" deem this unseemly beyond all acceptance, that Klan of RW Hate and Lie mongers are poisoning minds and encouraging violence, and the sanctimonious purveyors of propriety don't bat an eye at it!
I don't know what video you saw - but those who are not blind or I suppose porn addicts - saw it for what it was - nasty - I wonder - do you think Billy abused her and that is how she ended up so twisted and obviously self loathing?
Ya think Brittney experienced something of the same? It would explain a few things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2eynNh5xHM
You know how really nutty neofascist RepubliCons believe marriage freedom will lead to man on dog sex?? You're getting like that and it's creeping me out. Go away, would you.
You brought in the video - the blatant ( Suggestive child ? ) porn video - you defended it - I mean Rush limpballs is an asshole who should not be allowed on the airwaves - but - if he did not like that video? - I can not say that I fault him for "that".
Do you like watching Family Guy - ya know that dysfunctional family cartoon?
Look, you just don't get this, I can't engage someone who makes ridiculous assumptions based on things they don't get. All the articles I posted cover this issue from where I sit. I would and did take it further. Not going to repeat or be condemned by someone who doesn't know, but BELIEVES they do, what they're talking about. You see a young girl (22 y/o) performing in a suggestive manner and you leap to Child Porn. That's the same as Cons leaping to beastieality over marriage freedom. That's a conservative mental problem. Try this:
An excerpt from Moral Politics How Liberals and Conservatives Think George Lakoff
Chapter Two The Worldview Problem for American Politics http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/467716.html
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I worked two decades in TV and Film production, I've seen it all.
There was nothing morally wrong with Miley's (adult) twerk show.
You should work on your own intolerant, narrow-minded, prejudice problem.
We should all work on our twerking.
Man you just don't get it - I bet you would love to go to her concert and have her stick her butt in your face and grind. Probably with your girl friend - that is if you had one - and you would probably wonder why she got pissed off at you for loving it.
OK, you're getting all man on dog again, and it creeps me out.
Shoo troll, throw another Coon in the Rapids or whatever you do there.
Work on your Twerk!
U do have a fixation with dogs - don't ya - you should get help with that - go see a Dr and don't get a pet.
No reply TROLL!
BTW - those were not all adults in that audience - one child is in the picture with Will Smith - I think it was his son - the expression on his face was - ewww. But then he is not as worldly as you yet.
It's Miley, Bitch: The Tongue That Licked the World
By Rob Sheffield | POSTED: August 26, 3:16 PM ET
Oh, Miley. That was priceless. Miley was the one star in the room who truly understood what the MTV Video Music Awards are all about — waggling your tongue, grabbing your crotch, rocking a foam finger, going to third with the Care Bears, twerking and shrieking and acting out America's goriest pop-psycho nightmares. She showed up Robin Thicke as one uptight douche, though he helped by dressing as the world's edgiest Foot Locker manager. Miley stole the night, which is why the nation is still in recovery today. Thanks, Miley — as Justin used to sing, back in the 'NSync days, God must have spent a little more time on you.
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/blogs/pop-life/its-miley-bitch-the-tongue-that-licked-the-world-20130826#ixzz2dGzwC8SR Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook
Pull head out of ass, clean eyes, and see.
Ummmmm I take it that you are defending soft porn on stag . . . um stage.
In the silence regarding Limbaugh, Beck, et al.
I did not leave em out I just didn't start with them.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/miley-cyrus-outrage-creeping-conservatism/#comment-997632
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Well there are two types of people defending this right now: men and women who dont want to be labeled as controlling whatsoever.
On the other side are women who have worked tirelessly for respect.
If you knew anything about Mika you would know that she had to fight to get decent pay on the show (14:1 vs Joe).
If you had any clue what its like for women who are fighting to be looked at by SOCIETY as equals, you would understand why so many look at this with disgust.
Shit like this has a negative effect on ALL women, whether you like to believe it or not.
Doesnt mean she shouldnt be allowed to do it, but it doesnt mean it should be applauded.
OK closet Church Lady, what about the silence of outrage for Hate-Wing propaganda?
I'm not a church lady, I'm as wild as wild gets. But I dont have to worry about men treating me like a piece of meat when Im out with my friends because we have these women who act like that to get attention.
Like I said WILLY, its easy for men to say that the reaction is overblown.
We dont get less pay, looked at like objects.
That's as asinine as the Cons who say the gay couple living down the street makes a mockery of their marriage. Miley's twerking will have ZERO effect on your meatiness!
I posted a GREAT article written by a female.
Well I guess if a few think its all good then the rest of the women should just accept it.
Someone just told me today that performance is the exact opposite of feminism, it was simply giving men exactly what they want.
And what did this caring and insightful humanitarians say about the RW hate machine today??
meh just a bunch of slut shamers mad at a 20 year old for goofing off and having fun. don't forget people threw a fit when she admitted to smoking pot and posted the video of her smoking salvia.
I will defend HYP to the END!!! As well as shit, fuck and all the rest of the unmentionables!
Kristallnacht of new wave Con!!!?
This shit is ooozing everywhere, ewwww!
George Carlin, we need you!!!!
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If ya have to explain then it's fucking ruined ~ Try harder!!
It's all art and expression (all encompassing), and the creeping conservatism is all censorship and restriction (all constricting).
K is a loose ref to contrived situations... neverfingmind!@/.ASC,.?<cv n
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A couple overheard after the concert as they were leaving:
I really liked the way she presented her angst....I......
OH was that what that was? I guess I missed that. I just thought that she was presenting her pelvis.....huh......
.... think the presentation was very dynamic.....
Um was that like when she was pretending to hold a dildo and plunge it deep?.............
...the music industry has come a long way.......
...the soft porn industry has come a long way......
Where's the outrage against Hate-Wing propaganda which actually gets people shot and killed??!!
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Do I have to take you by the hand & guide you? Read the post: Hypocritical outrage at sex while silent about murderous hate speech, it's all there. Bread crumbs?
Fox Lies weighs in: Awesome pic: http://www.salon.com/2013/08/26/fox_news_blames_feminism_for_miley_cyrus_vma_performance/
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Try Alternet, massive posting on stuff and great forum (some) smarter posters.
Thats ironic, because all the feminists (or those who are looked at as such) I know were pretty disgusted by it.
Once again, you are proving to have a very shallow understanding of things.
The only thing your posts are lacking here is a msm cartoon.
Read the Rolling Stone article or the one with the female author.
Twerk the Pussy Power!
The media and entertainment industry has been run by a certain few for a very long time.
Pushing the proverbial envelope. More extremes is addicting, and always needs to be topped the next time. Just like a drug.
I didn't know MTV still existed but I checked out her VMA video. I had to look up "twerking". The bend over twerk is just a stripper move. When republicans aren't complaining about Miley they're in the club getting a facial twerk from some stripper. Who else can afford it?
Scorned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2FRPA3Gf8
IGNORED: http://regressivewatch.org/wordpress/gallery/tea-party-hate-speech/#.UjSRtD_-tKg
Listen to reason fuck head: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/cb-nmzuR_7AxxVr/david_letterman_dr_phil_on_miley_cyrus_season_21_episode_3906/
And this you douche bags: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaOkhAs6LMA
Take this you stupid prudes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beTsOONfVNk
1 4 U : Who Doesn't Like To Watch Half-Naked Girls Dancing?
And where is the OUTRAGE over this example of the filth from RW Hate & Lie broadcasting 24/365/every city with no regulation, restriction or rating???
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/radio-host-frequented-gun-activists-calls-shooting-bush-family-obama-sexual-violence-against
If porn is rated X and is restricted from minors (& progressive radio is snuffed), this Right Wing filth should be be rated and restricted much much more stringently. But it spews and poisons with impunity & without a peep from SANCTIMONIOUS media pundits and provincial peanut gallery church ladies! This is the height of BS, hypocritical, creeping conservatism!
Sex is not the enemy, RW hate speech is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drwKU72Ikzg
I don't see what the fuss is about. In the future pop stars will be computer generated like they do in Japan;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEaBqiLeCu0
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To be perfectly fair and honest. - the title should be Miley Cyrus ( add in all other media and performers engaged in the same type of entertainment & advertizing ) and the creeping forward of Sodom and Gomorrah. Really - as that performance looked to be pushing child sex - teddy bears - really?
Look this is out of your CR, MN, purview.
The "outrage" is ignoring real things to be outraged about, like the GOP holding the country hostage!!
What - your saying pedophilia is not something to be concerned and outraged about? Are you by chance from the Ozarks or Appalachia?
I mean - you did bring in the video.
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And who did you used to be?
BTW - it is apparent that those in office and that are being supported to run for office in the repub party though they may well only be RINOs ( republican in name only ) are running a war on women - though this Miley video IMO does not count in that category.
No, I'm from Coon Rapids.
You know how really nutty neofascist RepubliCons believe marriage freedom will lead to man on dog sex?? You're getting like that and it's creeping me out. Go away, would you.
You show preference for a soft porn video that pushes the idea of child sex - and try to put it on Me?
Are you sure that you are not republican? As they do that type of thing all the time - but to be fare recently those repubs in office are actually corp(se)oRATists so it would not really be fare to refer to them as republican.
You're the one with the intolerant Conservative mindset problem about sex. The performance was too risque for you, but there was nothing nearly as wrong with it as the RW Hate Speech that pollutes, poisons and corrupts Americans NONSTOP, and the MSM and Cons focus on harmless twerking!!
Twerking is the big Joke of the night on Letterman tonight. Are you the big prude joke here. I tried to shoo you away but you kept trolling.
And yet - You continue the conversation. No I am not a prude - but I am also not a deviant. If you want to go to a strip club and watch the girls dance? You go right ahead. But your seeing nothing wrong with that performance? I am thinking that you have fallen for the sexual programming of marketing. Just be careful you don't start whistling at those little six year old's in the commercials where they are all dolled up and posing there new outfits - as then you SHOULD know that you are sick. How old are you? I am curious as to what era of commercialism that you grew up in.
Just trying to be polite and reply to your constant trolling.
The Onion Predicted Miley Cyrus VMA Backlash In 2008 (VIDEO) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/the-onion-predicted-miley-cyrus-backlash-2008_n_3817462.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
Bullshit.
No reply TROLL!
Yes there is a reply for you troll.
Yes there is a war on women - and - Limpballs and Peck-er are gleeful promoters of such.
But - sheesh - the Cyrus video - IMO - is just another form of attack on women.
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He has a right to his opinion but, as long as we're not spreading lies or trolling, so do we!
Fight intolerance!
Unite and Win!
Who cares about Miley Cyrus? This is a nonsense distraction. Sensationalized, opium for the masses to blow off steam about.
Don't waste your mind on this garbage.
Yeah she is messed-up in the head ( looks to be wanting to be like Madonna and Brittney Spears - who appears to also want to be like Madonna - um to be Madonna? ) - but she is not alone. And as Madonna knows . . . ummm..... oops - Miley knows from prior examples - Soft Porn Sells. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/miley-cyrus-cant-stop-twerking-at-vmas-2013-20130825
I like the picture of W Smith and family - well not Will's picture as he looks like he is kinda into it - but in the left of that photo - is that Will's son sitting there? - the look on his face is pretty good - I interpret it as - Ewww.
I heard the crowd reaction shots were taken out of context.
Either way: OH THE HORROR!! THE HORROR!!
gag me
Limbaugh and Beck and their Hate-Wing clan are more vile and revolting than any possible Cyrus twerk. And where's that outrage?
Don't get me wrong - limpballs and Peck-er seriously suck and no doubt they are having an orgasim fest in their pants over Miley . . . but that does not mean that Miley and Brittney are not carrying on Madonnas tradition of soft porn on stage . . . yeah the guys have been pumping their crotch on stage for a lot longer . . but did any of them start to get physical with someone on stag .... um stage? Not that "that" makes current women's soft porn any worse then the mens soft porn - I'm just sayin. . . .the sex market marketing has not slowed down one least little bit with the economy and even seems to be enjoying a " fairly large growth period"...................
We have a perverse church lady hypocritical excuse for going after Miley and not ubiquitous & nonstop RW crap that poisons minds, gets people killed and acquits homicidal racists. Insidious Conservatitus.
Art imitates life, life imitates art, artists imitate each other... the greatest form of flattery.
Sorry but limpballs collects a lot of heat for his crap.
While the marketers are dolling up 9 year old's has gotten hardly a mention and Madonna Brittney Miley as well as all of the guys are also to blame for their part in that. Selling sex.
My ears are ringing from all the outrage against Rush, Glenn and the whole Klan.
Miley Cyrus Joins the Boys’ Club
Miley Cyrus acted like a male pop star at the VMAs. But she'll get criticized like a female one.
August 26, 2013 | Salon / By Soraya Chemaly
It’s hard being a living doll. Ask Miley Cyrus. The singer’s slightly bizarre, teddy-bear twerking performance at last night’s MTV’s Video Music Awards has captured the public imagination. Today’s news is littered with shock, dismay, disgust and approbation, on many different fronts. The Mail and Globe went so far as to write a funny mock-obit. As one person tweeted, “She was a great singer and actress. Was. RIP Hannah Montana. RIP childhood.”
It’s impossible to consider her performance without noting the following: 1) a 36-year-old Robin Thicke, standing onstage while Cyrus gyrated around him; and 2) the use of women as props and accessories, a habit that practically defines music industry productions. Usually, though, the people using women thus are men. At the VMAs, Cyrus expressed her celebrity and power pretty much the way the most visible and prominent men in her industry do. And while she deserves some criticism for her performance, the kind she’s likely to get is deeply linked to her gender.
This summer, Thicke caused an outcry over his sexist “Blurred Lines” video, just the mostrecent example of women used as naked or nearly naked props. In one analysis, researchers found that women dancing in explicitly sexualized ways can be found in 84 percent of videos. In the same survey, 71 percent of women were found to be wearing revealing and suggestive clothing compared to 35 percent of men. In music videos the sexualization is often racialized. Generally speaking, men, like Thicke, sing fully clothed, while women dance around them, largely not.
But what happens when the star performer is herself a woman? Cyrus was cocky, she strutted around, she danced (really awkwardly), was brash and confident and made lewd gestures and creative use of her tongue. In addition, she, like her male peers, sexually and racially objectified other women who were onstage with her, almost all of whom were black — and she has come in for deserved criticism for this. Cyrus has recently been the topic of conversations regarding race and cultural appropriation and ratchet culture, and last night further contributed to the debate. But, Cyrus, as other women performers do, also embodies the sexualization that can be so problematic. She acted like a man, objectified herself and other women, and appropriated several racial cultural signifiers when she did. She wasperforming on many different levels.
Cyrus has, for years, been navigating the treacherous waters of growing up and being successful in front of the world. She’s been doing it brashly and unapologetically, which takes some crotch-grabbing-worthy balls, so to speak. And she consistently demonstrates a high level of control over what she does with her own body. It’s not limited to sexualization. Once in a while, a female celebrity alters her appearance in unpopular ways and ripples are felt across the universe. Both Cyrus and Beyoncé recently opted for very androgynous, short blond boy-cuts: the traditional coif of men with power. The alterations unsettle people, because they often involve rejections of gender conformist ideas about how women, especially sexualized ones, should look.
Girls and women who too brazenly display power, and are unself-conscious or unapologetic about it, disturb people. When famous women get too big for their, admittedly sometimes really small, britches, our culture likes to make sure that what’s inside that often “pretty head” is seen as crazy.
Women who want power or get power are often considered “mad,” which has two interesting meanings. Michele Bachmann’s controversial Newsweek cover didn’t make her look enraged so much as demented. Film in general is exponentially more likely to portray insanity as essentially the purview of women, especially independent ones. Given infinite choices about how to portray one of the few female leaders of the 20th century, Margaret Thatcher, the producers of “Iron Lady” went with a dementia narrative. The entire film noir genre, with its femmes fatales, can be seen as a litany of women confronting gendered restrictions and rebelliously and callously defining themselves to death.
Last night’s performance brought the public’s perception of Cyrus one step closer to the“crazy” narrative — the casually misogynistic, “OMG, quick, look at another crazy, fucked up, slutty girl go down.” It’s often a white girl, because they’re more commonly featured in our dominantly white cultural narrative. But black female performers are criticized too, sometimes in racialized ways. Lauryn Hill, Rihanna and other popular performers have been portrayed as dangerous, sexually transgressive and unhinged. Lauryn Hill went so far as to sing, “I’m not crazy,” at one point. Our cultural obsessions with the mega flame-outs of Britney Spears, Amanda Bynes, Lindsay Lohan, Whitney Houston and other “troubled divas” have been epic. And the democratizing effects of the Internet now mean that this kind of micro-examination of girls’ lives and actions is by no means limited to celebrities.
The shame-filled objections to women like these are simply a double standard about power and worthiness. The outrage and “disappointment,” cloaked primarily in concerns about, “sluttiness,” “selfishness,” “craziness” and “inappropriateness,” add up to one thing: female unworthiness.
Women, we’d like everyone to keep thinking, are unworthy of too much agency, authority, power and self-expression. Otherwise, everyday people would be decrying every top-billed male performer for engaging in the exact same behavior that Cyrus did last night. It would help if we taught kids, in school, to be critical of stereotypes, to understand constructions of gender, race and ethnicity, and to appreciate the important difference between sexiness and sexualization. Miley Cyrus deserves critique for the racially objectifying elements of her performance, and even for the production of an artistically questionable, odd and distasteful set involving bears and bad dancing. But Cyrus is most likely criticized instead for being “slutty”or ”crazy” — and those words matter and speak volumes.
Soraya L. Chemaly writes about feminism, gender and culture. She writes for The Huffington Post, The Feminist Wire, BitchFlicks and Fem2.0 among others.
Ummm and your take on the article?
By The By - on an aside - what "was" with the teddy bears? Ummm she does not look that young ( anymore ) - so why a suggestive push to kiddy porn?
Just sayin.
I think the author is being tame to keep her job, editors seriously frown on criticism that bites with real teeth on the establishment's bland standards of decency. Like I said, I think that everybody (in MSM) is wetting their pants over this trivial performance is a sickening sign of really disgusting and evil creeping conservatism, which defiantly/sanctimoniously ignores serious problems in favor of status quo and disenfranchising nonconformist thought.
Considering the constraints, I think she did a good job of treating some aspects of our unchecked and acquiesced hypocrisy.
The teddy bears that were part of the dance and song act were obviously planted to confound the Sherlocks out there. or irony
Wow just wow
It's just not your thing.
Try the hurricane Boner post.
Your right child porn is not my thing - but apparently it is yours?
You know how really nutty neofascist RepubliCons believe marriage freedom will lead to man on dog sex?? You're getting like that and it's creeping me out. Go away, would you.
It is funny that you keep bringing that up - are you trying to say that you are into bestiality as well? Just that you are not as comfortable with it yet as you are with child loving?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drwKU72Ikzg
2013 not 1913
[-] 8675309 points by DKAtoday (8675309) from Coon Rapids, MN
That one was better than your adoration of Miley's nasty routine. Still I don't think you must have a very good regard for women.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxQdVTjEMF4&list=RD02drwKU72Ikzg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVs6Fekh0RY&list=RD02drwKU72Ikzg
[-] 8675309 points by DKAtoday (8675309) from Coon Rapids, MN
That one was better than your adoration of Miley's nasty routine. Still I don't think "you" have a very good regard for women.
And what would you know about women? Whoops!
[-] 8675309 points by DKAtoday (8675309) from Coon Rapids, MN
Know
Relax, you're going to eventually get the world that a majority say or think they want no matter what you do. The important task is to educate people and give them time to adapt.
Change doesn't come in a continuous steady flow it happens in fits and jumps. I think you're seeing some of the push back that is inevitable. Things will balance out and progress will continue as long as people get some time to reflect on things. The main concern is to have an educated public.
The Cyrus performance was designed to shock, that was its intent. She may have succeeded too well, like the Jackson wardrobe malfunction it drew an overreaction. So what? There is an off button on the TV. In a few weeks it will all blow over as thinking people see the act for what it was and realize it's unimportance in a world filled with far greater crimes then twerking on TV.
Concerning your link to the HuffPo piece about Limbaugh and Abedin, her upbringing in a male dominated household is one possible factor of many to explain her reaction to her husband's little hobby. Her desire to be the wife of a successful politician is another factor. People will see other reasons or decide that it's not any of our business why she stays with her husband, if you give them time to think about it.
The link about learning to hate from right wing radio is only a danger to those that don't have much knowledge to begin with and can't think for themselves. Limbaugh, for example, is incredibly ignorant on anything remotely scientific, but the listener would need a good high school education to know it. He also makes a common practice of taking one little part of the truth and twisting it to his interpretation (like his thoughts on Abedin).
We won't be going back to a Victorian age unless the public elects to become ignorant and remain that way.
Another deep social issue brought to OWS by bensdad and his sock drawer.
BD has nothing to do with it.
But thanks for the complement.
Ummmm - sorry - wrong author of the Post to be blaming. As this is not BD's post. Ummm who are you behind your sock?
How much longer until someone gives someone a blowjob at the MTVMA?
I'm guessing 10 years, on the over side.
A vastly more innocent and useful act than the Hate-Wing broadcasting that poisons minds 24/365/every city with complete impunity and silence of outrage.
Yep. They’ll do anything they can get away with to draw a paying crowd. Moral relativism seem to be in vogue right now. No set moral compass. Nothing is immoral it seems,
This performance was more for a strip club. To spring this on a unsuspecting crowd (with kids present) was out of line. It crossed the line. If we keep going we really will have live public sex shows pretty soon. Don’t kid yourself. Entertainers already push the envelope every day. The sad thing is some people think that’s OK.
Anyone who has been watcing MTV lately wouldnt be surprised by this at all.
Want some real shocking shit that is right in front of your kids everyday? Go to the adult section in the cable guide, and read the descriptions. holy shit.
A nation of extremes.
No justice, no peace.
You are still a card carrying idiot VQ. Folks from every walk of life are criticizing her, not just conservatives. The feminists/feminists of color fights about it are as fun as ever. They eat their own.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kia-makarechi/miley-cyrus-race-vmas_b_3817286.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/anne-theriault-/miley-cyrus-vma-performance_b_3819177.html
http://www.inquisitr.com/922463/miley-cyrus-mtv-vma-performance-brings-liberals-and-conservatives-together/
http://www.vulture.com/2013/08/jody-rosen-miley-cyrus-vmas-minstrel.html
Not VQ, try the Nation of Change forum.
Creeping conservatism's insidious ooze knows no side.
While the silence is deafening for the True Indecency of Hate-Wing broadcasting.
This Nation of Change? http://osrga.net/groups/general-discussion/forum/topic/nation-of-change-likely-a-front-group-please-read/
There you go with your red hot cig-cherry popping all the bubbles. VQ mentioned NOC, about the time he split, so... I have found some good articles there, I don't see any prob with them or whenever they started. Morons on this forum had similar bitches for Move On. Cons had a big bogus prob with ACORN & believe it stole BO's reelection. 30% of LA Cons believe BO failed them during Katrina...