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Forum Post: I vote for Odin as our new wise man and savior

Posted 2 months ago on July 31, 2014, 3:30 p.m. EST by jenniferredshoes (-3) from Brooklyn, NY
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Why Odin?

Because he has time, he is open minded, and he has tons of experience both on this forum and in the streets. He is a genuine occupier.

Jart, give that man some moderation privileges and you won't regret it.

The guy oozes OccuBlood.

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[-] 3 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

Odin votes for Renneye as our new moderator...err that's who I think he would vote for. ;-)

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1376) 2 months ago

Odin you are quite popular all of a sudden haha.

Hope all is well.

[-] 1 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

I suspect that most of my popularity has to do with Trashy trying to manipulate the forum, but hey who am I to argue when he refers to me as the "new wise man and savior"?....lolol

On another note, kudos to you hc.. for the tenacious spirit that you have shown on here, especially in the last few months.

[-] -3 points by cometotheparty (-66) from New York, NY 2 months ago

I'm not trying to manipulate the forum. I never have.

I just come here to share ideas. That's all. If my ideas manipulate, it's only because they are stronger than the ideas of others.

Some people come here to call me a troll, or to say that I am here to manipulate the forum, I just come here to post ideas.

Now, let's start implementing my ideas shall we.

Time for that Bridge To The Ground.

Time for some anarcho syndicalist outfits so we can teach by example.

Time for some non-violent imagery so we can focus on creating a healthy peaceful future.


I'll think for you... You just gotta do...

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3986) 2 months ago

Oh mon dieu! Was that really necessary?!

[-] -1 points by shooz (-6) from Detroit, MI 2 months ago

You eat too much humble pie!

[-] -3 points by cometotheparty (-66) from New York, NY 2 months ago

Odin would have been the perfect moderator, but, one flaw stops him. He is too humble. He doesn't recognize his importance here. He is our NEO, the one. The one who is both on the ground and in the cloud. He is the Bridge To The Ground we have all been looking for, but, sadly, he doesn't even recognize it.

If only he was also an intellectual and a scholar instead of a Truther.

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

The usurpation of this forum is over TrashyManque' - I & many others here .. can assure you of that !!!

Whereas we did not yield to ZenDog's Tourettes like exposition of Fux-Spews' Sean Insanity type right-wing, talking points re.The Middle East .. nor did we yield to shooz' very sly DNC / Likudnik shilling and forum-manipulation .. nor to DKAt's sudden, clear self-exposure as an 'Uber-Zioninst Apologist' .. nor to 99nProud's finger pointing and wannabe lynch-mob leadership ... then NEITHER do we yield to fatuous, vacuous, Trashy dealings, 'concern trolling' and usurpation - here now !!

As for jart .. well her Corporate Job, seemingly trumps any affiliation for this forum ... SO, the rest of us will just have to plod on as best we can, for the sake of The 99% - whoever they may be, wherever they may be - irrespective of class, colour or creed !

This is still The Most Active Face of OWS on the Inter-web & I and others here, are NOT about to let it go quietly into the night, this side of the 3rd Anniversary & 4th #S17, without a struggle and resistance.

For all those who may have had their use-name, monikers 'deactivated' - and can not log in with new accounts here ... try using a different browser. ZionDog, VQuack, DKhead, snooz and others should come back and stand their ground like men with spines - but ZD really can NOT go on as before with that pathologised, violent language, I have to say. He and others have expressed a clear wish for The Forum do die off but many of us are not ready for that yet. Why be here if you want the place to fold ?

Right, now to one of the core OWS matters in hand :

''The runaway shadow banking system, defined by Investopedia as “The financial intermediaries involved in facilitating the creation of credit across the global financial system, but whose members are not subject to regulatory oversight. The shadow banking system also refers to unregulated activities by regulated institutions.” Examples given include hedge funds, derivatives and credit default swaps.

''Conventional banks also engage in “shadow banking.” One way is by using their cash cushion as collateral in the repo market, where they can borrow to invest in the stock market and other speculative ventures. As explained by Bill Frezza in a January 2013 Huffington Post article titled “Too-Big-To-Fail Banks Gamble With Bernanke Bucks” :

''If you think [the cash cushion from excess deposits] makes the banks less vulnerable to shock, think again. Much of this balance sheet cash has been hypothecated in the repo market, laundered through the off-the-books shadow banking system. This allows the proprietary trading desks at these “banks” to use that cash as collateral to take out loans to gamble with. In a process called hyper-hypothecation this pledged collateral gets pyramided, creating a ticking time bomb ready to go kablooey when the next panic comes around.'' From ..

Many thanx to those who expressed solidarity to me personally on the forum. I won't forget it. I took the time to get further insights into 'The Gazastrophe' still unfolding & I hope to share in the days to come.

per aspera ad astra et respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 2 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

right on bro!

[-] 1 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

Is it possible to post a comment without the offensive name calling?

Many people do forums for the entertainment of flame wars.

Is that why you continue flaming people who aren't here? What's the point?

Were you banned along with them for the same reasons? If so, get a hint.

Let's choose substance over attacks.

[-] 5 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

WhatTF are you ''just sayin''' ?! ID yourself in your new moniker (like I have done) so I know that you aren't just another Trashy moniker - and we'll talk !! WITHOUT the risk that you'll 'remove' my replies when they don't suit you or you can't deal with them !!! Until then ... chew on this IF you give a shit :

I'll deal with and talk to you and others according to form, history and precedence. Your sanctimonious hypocrisy is your problem. This OWS forum does not need to be all sweetness and light & kisses and cuddles in order for real work for The 99% to get done & consider the agon.

Your 'DNC / Likud' affiliations {if indeed I' am talking to you snooz} and failure to make a single criticism of Hitlary, Obomber, Nutty-Yahoo etc. stand as evidence of my charges & I dare you to watch this now :

You should know how it works by know : You talk twaddle ; I reply ; You look silly ; I chuckle ; You :-(

minima maxima sunt ...

[-] -3 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

I agree, we shouldn't use name calling anymore.

We should discuss issues in a mature way like adults. Respecting each others point of view.

However, and this is important, we also have to stop false accusations like the one you did below. You accused me of getting the Twinkle Team banned when you knew very well they were using name calling left and right, the very name calling you are against right now. You saw their bad behavior, you know that is what got them banned, but for some reason you are blaming me.

So, yes, I agree. Substance over attacks. No name calling. But, also, no false accusations.

If you want to accuse people, provide some very strong evidence for your claims.

[-] 3 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

"Just someone who wants to use the site without Twinkle Team dorks attacking and banning everyone,"

But you've ONLY attacked, (ghosts) & are trying to chase me away 'cause I'm asking you to stop the almost 3 days ghost attack.

Please, put it aside, choose substance.

[-] 1 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

"Substance" was never on the top of your list shooz when you were on top... unless it involved co-opting this forum for your beloved neocon Democrats. Instead you supported vindictiveness and intimidation to obtain your goal.

[+] -4 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

Twinkle Team dork trolls are no ghosts. They were infiltrators. Very real. Complete jerks. Everyone hates them. They are scum. Dumb. Worthless. OWS haters. Ugly. Old. Crappy. Smelly. Goofy. Jerks. And more.

Don't worry mom, we'll talk substance in a few days. In the meantime, it's forum reclamation time. Those damn Twinkle Team dork trolls had us in chains for 2 years, we deserve a full week to gloat and spit on their carcasses.

[-] 2 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

I understand

[+] -4 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

I'm flabbergasted that a moronic Twinkle Team dork troll could finally understand after hours of explaining. I was expecting it would take weeks. I always feel like I'm discussing with a lobotomized numbskull when exchanging words with you.

[-] 2 points by Narley (284) 2 months ago

Stop!!, just stop!. Quit responding to the trolls. They will eventually go away. The twinkle team is gone, and good riddance, but the flame wars seem to continue. Just stop feeding the trolls.

[-] 2 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

I guess "twinkle team" refers to the point system.

Who is responsible for all your "twinkles"?

[-] -3 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

You really are lobotomized.

I'll enter you in the Moron of the Net Award for 2014.

[-] 3 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

Attacking me as you accuse your ghosts of same.?

And still no substance. Just unfounded personal attacks.

The forum is more polluted than ever if I can't ask for an end to your one sided flame war without drawing fire.

A week? I guess I could come back then.

Enjoy your one sided flame war

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

there's been a 72 hour cease fire called in Gaza

bombs accidentally knock out the power plant

opps

[-] 3 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

Do you also support the new forum edict that a week should be spent attacking non existent people.?

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

game modeling can be instrumental in understanding world interactions

you mean "ghost banding" never did

I support segregation of subjects into topic categories

[-] 3 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

Sounds like a yes.

I suppose if everyone wants it, t will be.

Just look at the last 3 days comments/threads.

Attack!!!

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

I suppose

my employment hunting turned into a string of no a long time ago

[+] -4 points by RepubocratH8R (8) 2 months ago

Go away David.

You are now a ghost.

A star in the soap opera of the banned.

[-] 2 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

I only know that for days you've been flamewaring with people that are not here to defend themselves.

I do not accept your description of events, not because I "know" anything you suggest, but because it is clearly one sidede, & unsubstantiated.

You say you want to stop name calling, whil you are name calling.

namecaller!

[-] -3 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

It's OK to name call against the Twinkle Team. They were infiltrators.

Look, here you are again to sow discord shooz. Please leave. Everyone hates you now. You are not wanted here. Jart banned you for a reason.

[-] 2 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

Move on already.

I am not your imaginary nemesis.

Simply noting your 2+ days long attack on non existent people.

You clearly want to continue the flame wat.

You wish they were still here, don't you.

They complete you? Like batman needs Joker, "Like a preacher needs pain. like someone to blame you need their love"

[-] 7 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

your behavior here is very shoozish - i think you should quit this and get on with posting and commenting if you like. this type of silly back and forth is annoying and typical of too much of what went on here. nobody is sad to see those people banned. hopefully those running the site will stay on top of things for a while. this should be a site to become educated and argue on the issues - fact based logical disagreements can be very informative. there are still too many here who cannot do that. so mr iamnotshooz - stop behaving like him and get on with it - or go away again!

[-] -3 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

Leave shooz. You are unwanted and banned for a reason.

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

it sad when the most "popular thread" is completely without subject matter

[-] 2 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

I believe you have repeatedly asserted that shooz has been banned, I also saw an apology from him.

Have you apologized for your banning?

[+] -4 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

His apology was that of a vile rat. Without any merit. He is an infiltrator. He even admits it in his character description. https://occupywallst.org/users/shooz/

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

the Israelis hit a school today

[-] -3 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

Ya, but the Twinkle Team wasn't in it.

[-] 2 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

I really believe it is time for you to set aside your hatred for the ghosts.

I don't care about your flamewar partners.

Substance is preferable.

[+] -4 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

You're like the cartoon character of the disgruntled old man. Always wanting to squabble, never anything interesting to say.

Bye shooz. You are dead to me. I will no longer respond to your garbage posts and comments.

[-] 0 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

Don't wanna fight, just wanna persuade you to end ghost flame war & start discussing substance.

[-] -3 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

You won't persuade me. I feel no shame in insulting the Twinkle Team. They are dork trolls. Infiltrators. I certainly won't censor myself for a moron like you shooz. Be gone you evil infiltrator and OWS destroyer. I'll discuss what I please. You are no longer the boss around here. Old disgruntled dork.

[-] 1 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

Or are you the infiltrator.?

"Concern troll"?

[-] -1 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

Nope. Just someone who wants to use the site without Twinkle Team dorks attacking and banning everyone, and spilling their toilet mouth crap all over the forum floor.

[-] 1 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

Welcome back.

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

I was around the day it all happened but unable to say or do anything as my moniker was deactivated beforehand because that was clearly a prerequisite of whatever happened here that day.

Solidarity to you and yours and to all here. The 99% are more important than any of us or our foibles and squabbles. Checking out 'til tomorrow now because my bed time here after a long day. See you around the threads ship-mate, thanx ;-) & as per my comment and the reference above, I append fyi :

From which I abridge and excerpt the following : ''Where is all that new fiat currency going, and why haven't we seen it show up in double digit inflation? The answer should frighten you. The narrative being promoted in Washington is that Helicopter Ben's money is being loaned to businesses so they can expand and hire more people. Oh yeah, and it's also supposed to finance cut-rate mortgages to help stabilize the housing market. Achieving both of these goals will supposedly goose up "aggregate demand," the magic elixir that purportedly makes economies grow. Mainstream journalists, who blithely call a reduction in the rate of growth of government spending a "budget cut," dutifully parrot the party line. It's a great story except for one problem: There is no evidence it is true.

''With the boundaries between Goldman Sachs, Treasury, the Fed and the administration virtually disappearing; the big banks' Democratic and Republican handmaidens running interference; and the media distracted while pursuing pissant stories about debit card fees, consumer protection rules, and shareholder gadfly proxy access; all is hunky dory in TBTF land.

''But what happens to all that freshly printed money after it gets parked on bank balance sheets if it's not loaned to businesses and consumers? Perhaps we could sleep at night if it just sat there, as a cushion against the recession that lies ahead. But unfortunately, the "banks" appear to have flocked back to the derivatives casino, confident that as officially recognized TBTF institutions they are free to privatize gains, gorging on bonuses while the sun shines, knowing they can socialize their inevitable losses.''

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] -3 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

jart banned the squabblers: shadz66, DKAtoday, shooz, ZenDog, GirlFriday. Simple as that.

[-] 7 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

If people here can't handle the cut and thrust ; the ruff and tumble or the to'ing and fro'ing is too much for there delicate constitutions and they need constant kisses and cuddles - well they're in the wrong place and should decamp to somewhere a li'l more gentle. Folk here are tenacious for The 99% .. or The 1% - possibly even The 0.01% Parasite Class .. so shape up or ship out but do stop whining about the forum.

WhoTF made you any authority on jart and her intentions - 'Trashy-Fork-Tongue' ? That you and jart are known to each other from the days in 'Liberty Park' - is known. That she rejected your li'l pieces of (spy?) code - is known. That she correctly identified and dubbed you a ''concern troll'' - is known. That she told you to piss off - is known. That she did not used to trust you - is known and that I've just never trusted you either - is known. ''Simple as that'' - so stop adding to jart's hassles here or elsewhere now.

You have had ample opportunity to address the real issues pertaining to The 99% & OWS - here on this thread but also of course over the years. You have consistently failed to do so, with utterly unconvincing lip-service being the very best that you can manage, as u've constantly looked to undermine this place.

Your desire is to make this place irrelevant and .. to make The Forum about The Forum. Well fck that !!! Some of us here aren't about to fold and yield to your myriad manipulations !! If you don't like what I say or you don't want to hear from me then ... sTop replying to my comments and pray I don't go looking for yours - ''Simple as that'' !

I have got some other excellent and revealing links about the greedy 1% scum who want to privatise and ''profitise'' water - and insights into their 0.01% Parasite Class masters too ... if you'd like to see them ;-)

anguis in herba - temet nosce ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

capitalism and the right to own

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

Crapitalists - and their rights to own you .. by owning all the fruits of your labour !!! There ain't no 'Trickle Down Capitalism' any more Matt - now it's all just 'Hoover Up Crapitalism' !! Also WAR is a fundamental part of Modern Corporate Crapitalsm too !!!

''Fifty years on we know the trigger for war with Vietnam was a fiction. Will it be another 50 before we know the truth about Iraq ?'' .. & do we see how the latest Likud War On Gaza has similar aspects ?

fiat lux ; fiat justitia ; fiat pax ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

we already know Iraq was based on excuses

we are just powerless to stop our nation from killing

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[+] -4 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

So - you are OK with Hamas?

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

The Palestinian Peoples' Resistance is way bigger than just Hamas ! I'm ''OK with'' the rights of occupied, oppressed and besieged peoples' fundamental right to resist !! ''So - you are OK with'' .... Bend-yer-mind Nutty-Yahoo's racist Likudnik, uber-Zionism and his Wars Of Choice against The Palestinian People ?!!!

The final link is to an essential elementary exposition of the facts and timeline to the initial stages [''Operation Brother's Keeper''] of this latest War Of Choice and 'lawn-mowing' operation by The Right-Wing Likudnik Alliance currently leading Israel.

So jusT how many monikers are you spinning right now ? Can you remember just whaT happened when you last spun your MPD to this many identities ? You got ill and lost the ploT ! NOT Good dude. Pick a moniker and sTick to it & stop attention seeking from jart :

YOU will be most of the reason for the ''piss poor shape'' because folk aren't sure who is who here right now. And as for jart .. she's doing what most anarchist dilettantes should be doing on a Friday night ;-)

ad iudicium ...

[-] -3 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

nuthinyahoo should face charges of crimes against humanity - then if their is real justice - hanged for his crimes. The rest of your rant? Are you insane?

Also:

Obama and Bush and Assad should be standing right next to that insane murderer and get the same treatment as should all such criminals!

[-] 5 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

What ''rant'' ?! The one directed at Trashy, you mean ?!! You not him ?!!! Who r you ? Can't be ZionDog - not frothing at the mouth enough ; can't be snooz - not crafty enough ; can't be GoofFriday, not actually bothered with this forum enough ; can't be VQuack - not silly enough to get too involved on this subject enough .. so can't think who else it may be and I'd better light a fat one ======##~~' and cogitate a li'l.

fiat lux ...

[+] -4 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

Perhaps your comments would make more sense if you directed them at your target rather than just assume. So I take it by part of your misplaced rant that you don't have a problem with Hamas making a target of innocent civilians with their actions?

[-] 5 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

Ahh, the ass-umptive ignorance again !!! The speed of response and the hard wired buffoonery gives your one-dimensional ass away !! You're still a DKhead tho' & I did give you a chance to maintain some face !

So go shill for Likud's War Of Choice with someone else and IF you were a man with a spine, you would have addressed the more substantive points here :

either here on this thread or there - 'butt you' .. did delete all your b-s replies there on that thread, right ?

So, ciya. Wouldn't wanna biya.

temet nosce ...

[+] -5 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

Done with your cigar already? Perhaps you should light up another.

[-] 5 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

Yep, and done with 'U 2' ! Perhaps u should stick to the 'Simple Minds' !! In your 'Big Country' !!!

multum in parvo ...

[+] -4 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

Done with me? Good. Now address your mental health issues. Also your physical issues - you really shouldn't burn through a cigar so fast. Nasty things that they are - how can you possibly enjoy just huffing one down so fast?

[-] 5 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

Let's keep this short DKhead because it is my bed time here now :

You can go back to sipping that 'Southern Comfort' girls' drink now.

vale dorkus maximus ...

[-] -2 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

It just doesn't make sense that you are a part of the twinkle team though. All of you on the best comments board are newbies. But I don't see why any of your comments would be so popular. Is that the point? The point of the twinkle team? To vote for meaningless comments? Comments that have nothing to do with occupy?

[-] -2 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

Well well well - it seems that I have hit upon something here. Looks like someone - some group doesn't want any sort of meaningful conversation noticed - so it votes up meaningless comments as a misdirection. Does this faction choose all meaningless comments to vote for? Or does there seem to be a pattern. Why does the admin of the site not care?

[-] 1 points by SerfingUSA (51) 2 months ago
  • Why do you ask so many questions?

  • Are you a Concern Troll?

  • Have you recently been banned from this forum?

  • Why are Twinkle points so important to you?

  • Why do you imagine a devious "group" or "faction" here?

  • Have you been involved in a devious "group" or "faction" before?

  • Do you experience paranoia on a regular basis?

  • Do you realize there is help for your condition?

  • Why are you creating Conspiracy Theories?

  • Do you realize that Conspiracy Theories are against the rules here?

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[-] -3 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

You must have a following here. Are you a member of the twinkle team? Twinkles are votes as are stinkles? Are those others on the best comments board other members of your twinkling team?

[+] -4 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

Go go go row row row your boat boat boat rapidly down the river? Find your oar 1st though.

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”David Ben-Gurion, a.k.a. David Grün (1886-1973), Israeli Prime Minister (1948-53, 1955-63), revered by Israelis as the ... "Father of the Nation".

I see that you kept spewing even after I went to bed DKhead. Well spew some more & also fyi ...

et nosce te ipsum ...

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[-] 2 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

bullshit

[-] 0 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

I quoted David Ben Gurion and then simply appended two articles - so I'm not sure how that constituted 'spewing a rant', lol !!! Perhaps you should stick to your anodyne, inoffensive dicta re 'health, wealth and prosperity for all' etc. in future !! Despite your simplistic and propagandist reductionism, I'm not in favour of ''crimes against humanity'' & perhaps u should post some links of Israelis suffering from such things !

I know that you do NOT open links if you can help it in case they question, challenge and thus threaten your pre-MSM-programmed mind but I'll nevertheless re-append the following from our 'to and fro' above :

However, I'll sincerely commend u here DK for some excellent 'squabbling' with that other self-serving, simpleton, squabbler 's&f&b-BS' aka Trashy-Troll here and elsewhere on the forum. A 'three (or more) way squabble' just might constitute some kind of semblance of a debate - you never know, lol & fyi ...

multum in parvo et verum ex absudo ...

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[-] 3 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

you do realize that people got troll pasted to the end of their name for this type of behavior. stay on point - debate on the issues and use facts. i understand your problem - the facts don't support your point of view but that does not justify this type of shit. i would suggest that it is a simple point of logic that criticizing israel does not mean -"So I take it by part of your misplaced rant that you don't have a problem with Hamas making a target of innocent civilians with their actions?" - now please stop this shit and be careful - no one knows who is in charge here - you would not like to be named questioningtroll would you?

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[-] 2 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

i have no idea how to answer your question except to say that criticizing israel's horrific attack on gaza in no way means i support hamas or terrorist acts. in the same way that my opposition to the war in iraq does not mean i love saddam - now say you agree with or explain why you do not. and stop the nonsense - what was your legitimate question by the way - i haven' t read all the back and forth

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

I choose cbda

[-] -2 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

What?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

Hamas making a target of innocent civilians with their actions?

that i8s an excellent deep cutting fill in the morality questions I'm looking for

[-] 1 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

What? ( i8s ? )

[+] -6 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

95% of what you accuse me of I never did. That is the funny thing. It's always that problem with conspiracy theorists. They invent from shear fantasy most of what they talk about. They delude themselves into creating a complex world of heroes and villains, then, for some strange reason, usually having to do with forgetting to take their meds, they think it's real life.

[+] -6 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

I don't wish to usurp the forum my friend. I have no time for that. Now that the Twinkle Team is gone, that this place is clean, I think people should forget about old fights and forgive each other. It's time to talk about OWS, not to start or continue old squabbles. That's so boring, no?

We will need a new moderator. I certainly have no time. My opinion is that Odin would be great. My second choices would be Renneye, or gnomunny.

Even you would be good. Are you interested?

Don't you think we need some good mods?

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

Yawwwwn ! I'll be dealing with your sly ass tomorrow !! Count on it !!!

cave - anguis in herba ...

[+] -4 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

As for the description of your character found here: https://occupywallst.org/users/ShadzSixtySix/

"Original user moniker deactivated by a certain - TrashyManque' in late July '14, in order to faciliate the usurpation and hi-jacking of The OWS Forum, which - despite its foilbles, is STILL The Most active face of OWS on The Inter-Web."

I'm sorry to disappointed, but that is a false accusation. I don't know if you fabricated that out of thin air, or if you truly believe it. Whatever the case may be, I had nothing to do with the deactivation of your account. I'm quite certain jart had everything to do with all the changes to her site. She has admin privileges.

This is the time to start anew. We shouldn't make false accusations. It's time to bury hatchets and forgive. I don't think the forum will do well if people start accusing others without proof and people start squabbling like before. Why not change? Petty childish fights are boring no? And not very good for OWS.

[-] 7 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

You TrashyManque' or jart have to explain whyTF I was banned as shadz66 for me to believe any of that self-serving drivel ! I generally don't believe anything you say, even when I occasionally might agree with you, lol !! You have always epitomised Wm. Blake's - ''Truth told with bad intent ; Beats all the lies you can invent'' - to me !!!

Other than reams and reams of 'concern trolling' ; 'process quibbling' and much more nefarious doings - can you cite a single forum-post where you addressed real working class / 99% concerns ?!!

In my opinion, your one biggest problem with The 1% - is that you're not one of them, lol ! Your possible second biggest is that anything you know nothing of or care to not know anything of .. is simply dubbed ''conspiracy theory'' in an effort to shut down any debate !! You have other problems too no doubt being a natural born contrarian and loner - but we'll leave it at two major problems, for now here, lol !!!

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

I'd be better off with the complex money minipulation that passes for investment policy

[-] 2 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

ok agreed - any organization can act in a criminal way" - that one was for sure better than ""buildings are meant to come down in a straight line" but still not very informative - i have seen you do better

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

ah, the casual judge

I seen collapsed building before

the bigger the more top heavy

The suicide bomber, an Iranian national named Ismail Ascari,[13][14] detonated his explosives, which were later estimated to be equivalent to approximately 9,525 kilograms (21,000 pounds) of TNT.[7][8] The force of the explosion collapsed the four-story building into rubble, crushing many inside. According to Eric Hammel in his history of the U.S. Marine landing force,

"The force of the explosion initially lifted the entire four-story structure, shearing the bases of the concrete support columns, each measuring fifteen feet in circumference and reinforced by numerous one-and-three-quarter-inch steel rods. The airborne building then fell in upon itself. A massive shock wave and ball of flaming gas was hurled in all directions."[15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

[-] 2 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

Ok this building was blown up. Did not fall over from fire. No need to continue. I am not trying to convince you. I saw them come down in real time and was shocked at what happened at the time. Nothing I has learned since has changed my thinking. Although it is not one of my main areas of interest and I haven't read that much on the subject

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

It fell under the shock of it's own weight come back down

[-] 2 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

well i guess we just disagree - maybe we can do the experiment one day - we can find an abandoned 100 story building and you can see if you can make it come straight down - will never happen - not never

[-] 1 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

if building were made not to tip then why are demo expert needed to bring them down. i would like to see you try to bring down a 10 story building in a straight line - much less 110 stories. that was not your smartest one liner - i like that you make short comments but that was ng!

[-] -2 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

I generally don't believe anything you say, even when I occasionally might agree with you, lol !!

That's because you lack the intellectual capability of separating fact from fiction and of separating the proposer from the ideas. It's the exact problem that gets you in trouble with conspiracy theories, making you a lame Truther and believing in Alex Jones drivel.

[-] -2 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

squabbler + inventor of lies and conspiracy theories

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

My Oh My Trashy !!! You sure do seem to do a lot of 'squabbling' here .. and not just with me !! Despite your usurpation of this forum at the moment, just whoTF made you any kind of arbiter of 'The Truth' here anyway lol, hrumph & hmmm ?! Finally 'Mr. Doubt Is A Good Thing' re.''9/!!' & 'conspiracy theories',see :

Now feel free to come and 'squabble', debunk, debate me there, here or anywhere else but please do try to stop talking out of your ass, pontificating and exuding hypocrisy here on this 'usurped' OWS forum & once again ... just how many monikers / idents have you simultaneously got on the go here right now ?

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

My most recent conclusion is credit to demolition team

is misplaced in being able to bring a building straight down

but should noted for dust suppression instead.

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

Pyro-plastic flows Matt ? Basement & Sub-Basement Explosions ? ''Demolition Team'' ?!!!

Where's the evidence of any kind of aeroplane at The Pentagon ? NORAD ? Where dat ?!!

Have you seen the 'Before and After' photos - of the Shanksville, PA scar in the ground ?!

toto sub rosa ...

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

the structural study of building isn't relevant

we are gods of steal

if we wanted, we could build a bean stack to lower orbit

but that would require world organization

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

Perhaps this, from just a few days ago - will help you more Matt :

e tenebris, lux ?

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3986) 2 months ago

Great video! Thanks.

Language and words played against the public in the form of indoctrination is of particular interest to me. It's been used against the people with various tactics for a millenia. The Ukrainian Holodomor instantly comes to my mind, only because that is my most recent reading, though all wars use these tactics.

Up to 12 million peasants were starved to death in a manmade famine during 'peacetime' with the aid of simple words. Peasants were labelled through the media as "counter revolutionaries". Words that created anger and disregard in the minds of the people, thus allowing the government to kill off a portion of the population without worrying too much about people helping the starving, or rising up against the genocide.

A tactic we see all over the world, now. Most visibly in the Middle East. Sad sigh.

But, this indoctrination seems to be particularly sinister, in these, our times...especially the incessant attack to hijack and enslave the minds of our young. Though these tactics have always been ramped-up during war times...they're now used in an onslaught on a daily basis and from every angle. Through the education system, social media, music/television/film industry, etc.

Our North American young are the worst off, I think...in regards to being unaware of how they're being 'played'. The rest of the world's young are far more awake, though not totally immune, of course. Our North American young need their eyes opened...and fast!

Though I speak with my girl and boy about these and other matters regularly...when I showed your video link to them, they became quite contemplative.

So, thanks again.

Ukrainian Holodomor - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

''The World Is A Prison Of Words'' (Video): http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39319.htm was presumably the video that you showed to your kids because I'm {somewhat prejudicially} imagining that the ever excellent 'Richard Gage & The Architects and Engineers for 9/!! Truth' video to which you've replied - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39310.htm would be a li'l too much for them, lol. Sorry if I'm wrong tho' and thanx for the great comment and link re. The Holodomor & I will also append - the following to the links and comments in the forum-post and thread here on flip's forum-post :

pax ...

[-] 1 points by cometotheparty (-66) from New York, NY 2 months ago

does owe support the 911 reinvestigation demands?

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

OWS discourages Talk about 9/!!. I speak about it occasionally - in a personal capacity because it is ''like a splinter in the mind'' & 'cause I believe that ''doubt is healthy'' - as someone once probably said, even if They may not have meanT it, lol. I do fully support any genuine reinvestigation though.

Consider that words are but an approximation of our thoughts which in turn are but an analogue of our feelings and 'feelings' are actually what may make us truly human. Empirical science only pertains to the approximately 3% of The Observable Universe, that we can detect and measure with Dark Matter and Dark Energy ... never mind Dark Entities and/or Dark Consciousness manifesting in a Multiverse that is an underlying, over arching and all encompassing hyper-reality. Now ain't that a conspiracy ?!

I have to go get Quantumly Entangled elsewhere now.

vale ...

[+] -5 points by cometotheparty (-66) from New York, NY 2 months ago

good that ows does not support 911 conspiracies.

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

no. that's the government's job when it's looking for an excuse to drop a bomb

[-] 1 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

ok but the official version of the events is a 9/11 conspiracy - maybe ows doesn't or shouldn't support any theories about what happened that day but it for sure shouldn't support the official version. that is my stance by the way - do no not support any theory - don't know enough about it - but i do know the official version is bogus. chomsky's idea is that maybe the government does it on purpose to create ct and distract smart people who could actually be doing the real work of organizing to change the world - could be??

[-] 0 points by shooz (-6) from Detroit, MI 2 months ago

It's great to see you taking part in the site's discussion again. Keep it coming. We need to get the old users back now that the Twinkle Team is finally gone. Wah! I feel so fresh. So much better now.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

it is not so easy to write your own history these days

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

Did you watch the video in that link ?

multum in parvo ...

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

a minute or so

the government keeps secrets

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

So do you it seems, lol ;-) Give it a go later maybe.

pax ...

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[-] -3 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

The explanation is pretty obvious. jart banned all the squabblers on the same day. Essentially, all of the Twinkle Team.

[+] -5 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

Please stop with your fantastic conspiracy theories. It's lame of you to make false accusations. I didn't ban your username. Talk to jart, she is the one with admin privileges. Please stop trying to squabble. It does not interest me.

[-] 5 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

So who is acTually 'squabbling' here, fool ?!!! You are the definitive CONspiracy Theory here, lol !! Time to 'fess up - just how many monikers have you actually got on the go here, right now, TrashyManque' ?!

I don't give a fk about the past user name - now that I'm back BUT I do give a fk about what you're up to.

multum in parvo ...

[+] -5 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

idk, you make up stuff, not me. You falsely accusing me of stuff without caring to provide evidence. That's a conspiracy theory type discourse. You try to will your fantasies into being real. You accuse me of banning your monitor shadz66 on your character description. That's squabbler type stuff. I mean, that's why jart banned you with the rest of the Twinkle Team. Because you are a squabbler.

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

So, still squabbling, huh ?! Why don't you just post about something remotely relevant to The 99% - or .. conversely, simply fk off ?!! Your whisperings in jart's ear and even trying to undermine and get to her off-forum - is something that is known about here, btw !!! + cf :

I really do not give a hoot now for the old moniker - now that I am back here now under this new, better moniker but I do not like the injustice of the unfair and capricious nature of the removal - sans rhyme or reason ; explanation or example. This shit happened when U took over this forum. So U R In The Frame.

You don't know jart's mind - even IF you may temporarily have her ear. I think that you are the possible source of any hassles that she's having - on or off this forum .. as that's the kind of weasel that you are. I've things to do now but, I append and recommend fyi, this excellent, important and salutary article .....

Run along and go try to annoy someone else now, you useless prick & I'll be back to demolish your bull shit again later, IF you choose to spew some more ..... Trashy-Troll, The Turd ThaT jusT won'T flush !!!

temet nosce ...

[+] -6 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

Please stop addressing me with name calling and making false baseless accusations à la Alex Jones.

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

RighT ! Take ThaT commenT To - jart !! See IF you can geT me banned - again, lol !!!

verum ex absurdo - et vale ...

[+] -4 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

You should take your false accusations to jart instead of sending them my way.

I have no interest in getting you banned. Never have.

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

First you claim to know jart and her mind and intentions ! Then you say, that she's on holiday !! Then you make pleady, whiney forum-posts to her !!! I'm beginning to think that u r really a Big Fat Liar, T.

DK besTed you There quite obviously. Therefore ThaT would make you ''An Uber Dork'' me Thinx + fyi :

dorkus maximus - quod erat demonstrandum !

[-] -1 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

please stop - this is boring and painful and pointless. don't we have bigger fish to fry?

[+] -6 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

I'm not interested in resurrecting old personal squabbles on this forum. So, if that is your goal, I'm sorry but you'll be disappointed.

I really think forum users should use this opportunity to start fresh. This is a chance to really change the landscape of the forum. To make it what it should have been all along.

In any case, I'm very busy at the moment. I won't have much time to participate directly. I'll mostly read and comment once in awhile.

I won't be replying to any attacks, but, if you want to discuss whatever issue in serious adult like fashion - no personal squabbles, turning over old stones, etc... - I'll be glad to anytime.

I have no grudges against anyone here. The only people that bothered me were the Twinkle Team and they are gone. They bothered me not because of their viewpoints, but because they were only here to destroy OWS.

[-] 6 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

DNC infiltration was ALWAYS going to be a factor for OWS ffs T !!! You don't have to major in Political Science for that to be self-evident - lol !! The Ultra Right Likudnik shilling was a bit breathtaking though and gave no quarter to the nuances of Israeli or diaspora views & it was kinda shocking ! Further fyi ...

''As Israel’s assault on the Gaza Strip rages on, ceasefires come and go. Most last just long enough for Palestinians to dig out the dead from beneath their collapsed houses, get the injured to overcrowded and under-resourced hospitals, and seek enough food and water to last through the next round of airstrikes.

''Israel has the region’s strongest military, the only nuclear weapons arsenal in the Middle East, and the unconditional backing of the United States. Its assault on Gaza violates the Geneva Conventions. Israel is imposing collective punishment against all Gazans, attacking hospitals, and using disproportionate force.

''Israeli officials know full well that the best way to protect their citizens is to implement a real ceasefire — a breakthrough that would require opening Gaza’s borders. Some of them also know the best way to keep their citizens safe long term is by ending the occupation altogether. Problem is, not enough of them will admit it.

''U.S. taxpayers also have a stake in this conflict because Washington keeps sending Israel billions of our tax dollars and refuses to push Tel Aviv to stop violating international law.''

fiat lux ; fiat justitia ; fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

come on boys - this is pointless - lets get on with the work at hand and hope for the best. it will become clear who is serious and who is just trying to spin this site. not sure why you were banned shadz but join the club - post some good shit and forget the rest - not worth it

[-] 1 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

Spreading awareness about the continued bombing of a near defenseless people is NOT a "pointless" exercise. What is going on there is absolutely deplorable. This is some of the best "shit" (in terms of educating people who have lost control of their government) about a on-going tragedy. And it is no mistake that the neocons who ran this forum were towing the line for our immoral foreign policy that gives *carte-blanche support for the perpetrator of this horrendous crime...Israel!

If you or a loved one are feeling the pinch of the neocon agenda, just imagine the despair the Palestinians feel.

And on a side note, I'm not quite done ridiculing the despotic asses who ran this forum.

[-] 1 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

i agree on israel and i also agree that those who ran this site into the ground should get slapped around a bit. i guess we are debating how much is enough.

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[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

You speak wisely & I concur. I'm still pissed off with the DNC / Likud Faction AND with Trashy but I'll calm down soon enough and I am still trying to stay on point but am I expected to stay schtum when faced with lies, hypocrisy and bunkum ?

You are still right tho' & I'll defer to your age and wisdom but I'm still just another stupid bloke who is quick to scrap so feel free to admonish me as & when you feel it's needed. I'll go eat and calm down and try to stop being so 'hangry' [Hungry & angry, lol & hmmm]. In the meantime flip, check this out :

pax nunc ...

[-] 5 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

they deserve to be spanked a bit no doubt. i am not against piling on once in a while so no problem there. you two were just bringing back memories that i hope are gone now. seems to me they got slapped pretty good - i hope it is for good. let's get this thing rolling in true ows fashion - radical and anti establishment. let's drop some big ones and see who crawls out of the wood work - and let's see who steps in to stop them!

[-] 6 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

On the matter of ''moderation'' here, well ... we clearly need it lol ! I never heard of a forum without it - but then again, this is only the second one I ever joined lolol !! I'm all for the DNC / Likud contingent to come back and even for shooz and Odin to share moderation - with any disagreement between them to be put to a timed vote on the forum ... but modlessness is gonna be hard to maintain !!! Did you watch the Max Blumenthal v Morton Klein show down ? Btw, right click any link to open in a different tab and also fyi ...

ad iudicium ...

[-] 5 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

correct on all counts here - again. i could not find the klein video but the genocide article is very depressing but not surprising. i teach in a very jewish part of nj and i hear that kind of thinking all too often. seems to me that the world is spinning out of control and our leaders re participating in that spinning. that is why i am so sickened by obama - he had a chance to change the world and he just gave us more of the same. seems to me that the center cannot hold and the world i will leave my grandchildren is going to be a rough one. that is why i bought property in the country - maybe they will do better there one day down the road.

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

Max Blumenthal and Morton Klein of 'The Zionist Organisation of America', moderated by Abby Martin :

We should expect nothing of Obomber, as he expresses just more weasel words about 'not bombing civilians' one day .. and authorises more money and munitions to be sent to 'The Zionist Apartheid Entity' the next day & I may just have to stop calling it 'Israel' altogether on this forum, going forward.

Who really worries me is Hitlary - your next POTUS and ''the Neocon's Neocon''. The whole world is watching flip ..The 99% that is ..but ALL our co-opted and cowed governments do and say very little.

This latest Likud War Of Choice, is now a key wedge issue between The 99% and The 1% Lackeys of The Global 0.01% Parasite Class - and will serve a longer term purpose but sadly innocent Palestinian kids, mothers, elderly and families will be blown to smithereens for this to unfold.It hurts to watch it flip.

''It is one thing to fail to stop war crimes from being committed, it is a whole other level of failure to defend, finance and take active part in carrying out these war crimes. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is not the only leader culpable of Gaza’s bloodbath; others in western capitals should also be held to account.'' .. and not just in ''western capitals'' either.

fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

1- Who really worries me is Hitlary - your next POTUS and ''the Neocon's Neocon''. The whole world is watching flip ..The 99% that is ..but ALL our co-opted and cowed governments do and say very little.

feeling helpless in the face of two party chosen choices

why can we give those parties up ?

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

We CAN ''give those parties up'' !!! They want us to think that we can't !! They're Wrong !

ad iudicium ....

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

the associations seem a littled forced

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

''The World Is A Prison Of Words'' - was the title of the video in that link.

verb. sat. sap. ...

[-] 3 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

thanks - i find those types of debates frustrating and too often beside the point. in our wars - the u.s. that is - it is the responsible men who make me nervous. i think the crazies like morton are there to make the real rulers look sane. it was curtis lemay and others who wanted to nuke vietnam but it was macnamara who sent my friends to kill and die there. nice robert - who had a nice family and loved his children and went to church like a good man. same today - if cheney were in office the attack on gaza would be over. but we have the noble peace prize winner in the white house - a reasonable intelligent well spoken man. a man who can justify bombing the world in the name of peace. takes a good harvard legal training to come up with reasons for that

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

Your take on Obummer is accurate I believe & your words speak with a clarity and compassion, borne from wisdom and experience and I really appreciate your nuanced, historical perspective on this matter.

Max Blumenthal does the same as you and spoke of ''The Prophetic Tradition In Judaism'', which refers imo, to the OT prophets constantly chastising & admonishing the errant Hebrews in those days of yore.

It was a very insightful, instructive and interesting take - while Morton Klein, was - despite his Tourette's Syndrome, simply off the scale with his manic belligerence and utterly one sided propaganda, I thought. In compliment of your reply, please see (if you have not already), my comment here :

veritas vos liberabit ...

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[-] 5 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

In your very own words 'T' : ''... that is exactly how I have dealt with this forum .. I was always attacking what I deemed as ennemies (sic) .. I built bots ..'' Lots of 1st person admissions from :

Uber-Concern-Troll-Mthrfker [ http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll ] - you need to stop replying to me IF you want the spanking to stop as no one - absolutely least of all, me .. believes a fkn word you say !!! Re. the drivel on being one's own mod, well of course - just don't read, or comment on what u don't like !! You love 'obsessing on process' and 'concern trolling' - because u have nothing to say on anything else !

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

You love 'obsessing on process' and 'concern trolling' - because u have nothing to say on anything else !

adversarial puppet accounts can be controlled by a signal user to rile activity on a particular subject without tainting their primary posting identity

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

Ok, ''adversarial puppet accounts'' would be 'T' all over ! But he doesn't have a ''primary posting identity'' to taint !! He's Tainted any which way already anyway, lol !!!

verum ex absurdo ...

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[-] 0 points by ZenDog (-18) from Burlington, VT 2 months ago

Read this! Damn those Trashy bots!

https://occupywallst.org/forum/welcome-to-botopia/

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

''Trashy bots'' huh ?! Nope - not opening shit from you - that url could be corrupted with malware !! So just why are you stealing and ass-uming other posters' monikers and didn't you do that with 'TIOUISE', 'Proteus' and others before & wouldn't that constitute a forum-crime and a contravention of decency ?!!!

Maybe you wanted to do that with my old moniker too. Hmmmm. You are a dishonest, scheming and conniving li'l runt. We should put you & the real ZenDork in a room together - and see what happens !!!

temet nosce ...

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[-] -3 points by shooz (-6) from Detroit, MI 2 months ago

Bots and puppets have ruined this forum.

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

As has 'The Trashy Troll' and DNC / Likud plants !!! But we are still here, right ?!! Doing what we do best - resisting and seed planting, in the hope for a better future for The 99% - whoever and wherever !

Standing up to forum-usurpers is worthwhile and will NEVER constitute ''squabbling'' but if it does, then consider me and some others here - proud, willing and very able 'squabblers' - for OWS and The 99% !! For anyone who considers this place '''ruined'' - they should fuck off and ply their B-S somewhere else !

So any and all - Resistance Is Fertile

respice, adspice, prospice ...

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[-] 2 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

and what about you mr squabble - how many times were you banned trashy - you are not hard to spot no matter what id you use - "old wine new bottles"

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

I ''usurp jart's authority'' do I, lol ?!!! How can you claim to know jart's mind and intentions on me or any other matter ?!! This is a self-governing (at best but we still probably need mods, lol) forum - you stupid, self transferring, psychologically-projecting, self-absorbed, narcissistic piece of shit !

Got things to do now 'Trashy-Troll-Bot', so stew on & spew. I'll be back later & fyi ..

fiat lux ...

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[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

If That's True Then jart'll let me know that .. when she's back from her 'holidays', lol !!! Nobody absolutely least of all, me - believes a single word you say !! Geddit ?! Now 'bot boy', fyi - see :

Now do spew some more and .. later no doubt, I'll ciya - but I still wouldn't wanna biya.

vale ...

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[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

All that happened here to others and myself, happened when you usurped this forum.You or jart (or so you say) are therefore responsible. Read our exchanges on this very thread. My inferences are wholly reasonable. Especially in the light of who and what you are & your nature and oft displayed behaviour :

ad iudicium ...

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[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

Hmmm - Sheeesh & Pffffft. = The warranted responses here !!! I have made my case as to why you are in the frame re. the banning of my old moniker but - I don't give two shits about the actuality of that any more .... just the principle of how it was done !! You're boring me but IF you don't like what I say or the way I say it, then :

  • a) Stop engaging me and looking for attention &/or -

  • b) Take it to jart & ask her to ban my arse .. again !!

You are the 'Squabbler Par Excellence' Trashy & have been doing so with me for over Two years, lol !!!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

They would be worlds of mob attacks.

a drone strike is pretty much like a hit

i figured dka banned me as that is who welcomed me back

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[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

Now sTop squabbling, lol & you have suggesTed that this OWS Forum close down many, many Times.

multum in parvo et vale ...

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[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

So, jusT how many monikers have you goT on The go here now ?! If you do acTually wish This place dead - Then why do you sTill hang around here ?!! Are you a closet necrophiliac or someThing, lol ?!!!

Lots of good has come out of OWS, incl. http://strikedebt.org/ ; http://rollingjubilee.org/ - & others such as http://occupysandy.net/ ... as well as hundreds of thousands of The 99% people on the streets right across the U$A at one point (something I never thought that I'd see) but I do not expect u to ever get iT.

respice, adspice, prospice et fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

where is LeoYoh?

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[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

JusT sounds like even more concern-trolling !!!

JusTine time with my reply coz gorra go now !

vale ...

[+] -4 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

Yes, it's kind of crazy. Jart banned all the squabblers, and they all came back. Kind of depressing. shadz66 is now using is old tactic of making up false accusations about me just to squabble. For some reason, he invented the idea that I banned his cherished username.

[-] 5 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

i have no idea if what you say is correct but the little i have read of shadz's postings make me doubt you. the fact that you are short fat and bald and still think you are sexy makes me doubt you even more! now maybe the women who think you are sexy and shorter fatter and also bald - no way to tell but your credibility is low!

[+] -7 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

Doubt is healthy. shadz66 is a conspiracy theorist, and, as you know, conspiracy theorists like to make stuff up. They confuse reality and fiction. I believe in innocent until proven guilty. I don't think it's healthy to go around accusing people of stuff without having evidence. So, if he want to go around claiming I deleted his original shadz66 handle, I think he should show evidence for that.

[-] 4 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

your credibility is in the shitter. i have read plenty of stuff from shadz and you are dead wrong. and just to be clear there are actual conspiracies. the official 9/11 story is a conspiracy theory. now whether you deleted his handle or not i don't know. no opinion

[+] -6 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

My credibility is not important. Ideas are important, not the proposers of said ideas. You must learn to judge ideas on their own ground, irrespective of whether you like the proposer or not.

I encourage you to have doubt. This is good. More importantly though, I encourage you to research to see what the truth is. What shadz66 is doing by falsely accusing me lacks courage, judgement, and laughs in the face of a democratic concept of innocent until proven guilty. In a good democracy, you must acquire evidence if you wish to accuse people.

So, please doubt, but don't stop there. Ask jart yourself who deleted shadz66 account. Don't just believes his fantasies cause they "sound good to you". Doubt him as well. Doubt all information you receive, and learn to verify information.

I'm not sure what you think I am wrong about? I said shadz66 was a conspiracy theorist and a Truther. He is. I also said shadz66 is falsely accusing me without any evidence to support his claims. Also true. I also claim shadz66 mostly comes here to squabble. Also true.

There must be a reason jart banned all the Twinkle Team on the same day. No?

The main difference between shadz66 and I is that I don't go around making claims I can't support. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I believe in rational thinking and evidence based claims.

[-] 3 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

Nicely done. Still don't buy the conspiracy theory part but the rest is well said. Except for the shadz and i part. Shouldn't it be shadz and me? I didn't really need the tutorial on doubt but thanks anyway. I was wondering since you believe in rational thinking and evidence based claims - what makes you think you are sexy?

[+] -8 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

shadz66 is an admitted Truther. If I call him a conspiracy theorist it's because he openly supports various conspiracy theories on this very site. Ask him what he thinks about 9/11. He'll tell you himself he's a Truther.

shadz66 doesn't care about verifying facts. As soon as he was banned from here he instantly started accusing me of banning him. He published that claim many times, and is using it to try to start petty squabbles with me. He printed it in his new character description. The truth does not interest him. Facts and evidence he cares not about. He just wants to paint reality with his fantasies.

Sexiness is subjective. Nothing much to do with evidence. I think I'm sexy, some girls that slept with me think the same. I'm sure there are tons of people that think I'm not. It's one of the most subjective things - In the eye of the beholder.

[-] 6 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

so now you have shown your ignorance - first of all can you admit that the official theory is a conspiracy theory - the one you believe in that is. say it please or explain how it is not. maybe because the government says so - can that be it? seems to me like a good chance you are thrashy. if you had said that it matters not what really happened on 9/11 - what matters is that the forces of repression in the u.s. and around the world used it to further their goals i would have been in agreement. really doesn't matter if 19 arabs with box cutters did it or some rogue element of the pnc did it - what matters is how the event was used to crush dissent and torture etc. that would be a correct and logical statement. but no you had to do the usual shut down move of making pronouncements that you can't back up and attempting to end the conversation. just so you know my position here (and so you cannot do your usual thing of telling me what i think - that is so irrational and stupid for people here - people interested in serious issues - to do that type of thing - no?) - i cannot see how those buildings came straight down - 1 maybe but 3? and i cannot see how a plain old office fire melted steel (the jet fuel was burned off almost instantly no?) to make that happen. how come not one support beam (perhaps one that wasn't cut by the plane) wasn't slightly stronger than the others and caused the building to tip over sideways? having said that i do not know what happened - hard to believe that the bush admin would do something so crazy. also hard to imagine how they could pull it off. but i do NOT believe that 3 buildings came straight down the way i was told by my government. sorry if that irritates you. i don;t believe much of what my government tells me about anything - ukraine, gaza, iraq, - well you get the picture. so how about a little test - i assume you agree that one cannot really understand something unless both sides of the debate are known. how about demonstrating that you know why people do not believe oswald shot jfk and with your super logical mind you have shown how their facts are incorrect and they are deluded. so i would like you to pick your bogus conspiracy - jfk, mlk, 9/11 and then tell us the one strongest argument for the conspiracy and debunk it. i am guessing you do not understand what the truther's know and why they think what they do. that is my guess - prove me wrong. i am also guessing that you will not respond with anything but the usual nonsense i see from the little funnyfacts boy or the zanrat or too many others who cannot have a real debate. well that is not really correct - they can debate on the issues they like with people who agree with them. so can we have an interesting discussion or will you do your usual shut down. careful now don't want to be a sexytroll - and one last question - still live in bali and have those poor third world women cooking and cleaning for you - are you paying them any better these days? that would explain why some of the women "you have slept with" (don't buy that ct!) think you are sexy - you pay them - could that be. and by the way - if you do respond with real answers please disregard the last part of my comment

[-] 4 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

since you are so much for rational thinking you might ask me who i read and follow instead of assuming. first of all did you admit that you believe in the official conspiracy - did i miss that? so you are a conspiracy theorist also - right? now we can talk about why you believe your theory but seems you do not want to. you want to state your opinion as fact and end the discussion - not very rational seems to me. and what about jfk and mlk - your thoughts

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

we all know the weapons grade anthrax came from US labs

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[-] 4 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

Ok now I get it. You believe in the official 9/11 conspiracy theory and shadz does not. I also don't buy the sorry that fire brought down 3 steel buildings. Straight down like a demo. No don't buy it. Also don't think a plane hit a pentagon. Check out the original photos. No idea what really happened but I do NOT buy the official line. So I thought you meant be believed in all conspiracies - illuminati type stuff. Now if you want to tell me that lone gunmen killed mlk and JFK - well you have a better chance of convincing me you are sexy.

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3986) 2 months ago

An excellent seven-minute CBC (equivalent of Canada's PBS) clip of this highly revealing trial which found the U.S. government intimately involved in Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s assassination. - http://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/martin_luther_king_jr_mlk_assassination_video

New York Times - US Gov’t Found Guilty In Conspiracy To Assassinate Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. - http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/09/us/memphis-jury-sees-conspiracy-in-martin-luther-king-s-killing.html

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~ "Wikipedia on Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and a Little-Known Trial

You can find an abundance of inspiring information on Dr. Martin Luther King's life and work in the Wikipedia entry available here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King_Jr ). Below is an amazing, little-known excerpt from this Wikipedia entry describing a 1999 Memphis court trial involving a lawsuit by the King family questioning who was involved in the assassination of Dr. King. The U.S. media completely failed to cover this riveting trail and it's most astonishing outcome.

"In 1999, Coretta Scott King, King's widow (and a civil rights leader herself), along with the rest of King's family, won a wrongful death civil trial against Loyd Jowers and "other unknown co-conspirators". Jowers claimed to have received $100,000 to arrange King's assassination. The jury of six whites and six blacks found Jowers guilty and that "governmental agencies were parties" to the assassination plot. William Pepper represented the King family in the trial."

Mr. Pepper later wrote a highly revealing book, An Act of State, detailing what the U.S. press refused to present. The trial lasted four weeks and produced over seventy witnesses, yet the media gave virtually no coverage to the entire, highly revealing trial. The jury took less than an hour to find in favour of the King family. For the full transcript of this key trial, click here. To see an excellent seven-minute CBC (equivalent of Canada's PBS) clip of this highly revealing trial which found the U.S. government intimately involved in Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s assassination, click here.

Note: For an excellent collections of quotes, speeches, and audio and video clips of some of the most inspiring leaders of our time including Dr. King, see http://www.writespirit.net " ~

~ http://www.wanttoknow.info/070114drmartinlutherkingjrquotesvideo

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[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

any private organization is capable of acting in an organized criminal way through private communication

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

gravity brings buildings straight down

a building structure is intentionally built not to tip

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[-] 3 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

boy are you a waste of time. the link you sent to a previous ows discussion does not answer my questions. acutally the post and first comment make very good points that you were not able to counter. hitchens answer is like yours - "i am not going to waste my time" and yes i know chomsky's point but what is yours. you will not engage - i get it - you can't. we had this conversation a couple of years ago and you showed me who you are - very sad that you are still at it. go away or be labeled a troll

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[-] 0 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

If you have usurped (saved?) the forum from "twinkle team"???? trolls, because of their alleged "attacks", what exactly did you save it for?

The comments & threads now appear to be one sided attacks on alleged trolls who are not here. Can't defend themselves, A bit cowardly of you?

Is this your grand plan? Get those you flamewar with banned, then attack them without opposition.

Well it's been several days now, when you finish with the chestthumping, & one sided flamewars maybe we'll see substance, without the useless cowardly attacks.

Those partaking in your new (continuation) forum model should know it doesn't go unnoticed.

Please moderate yourselves.

[-] 5 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

There is no defense for the despicable way that you and DK have run this forum.

[-] -2 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

Brief, to the point, and 100% correct.

[-] 2 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

Thanks.

[-] -2 points by RepubocratH8R (8) 2 months ago

Save it David Winter, we know your shtick. Go mow somebody's lawn.

This is Not a court of law. Witnesses do not need to be called up to testify here. We were ALL witness to your abusive trolling.

Away with you zendog.

You are a part of the soap opera of the banned.

Go Away zendog. GO AWAY I SAID !!!

[-] -2 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

I have trolled no one.

Do you support using the forum to attack non existent people?

No trial requested. I think that has occured, and they lost, you won.

Right?

So now what? How many more days will the forum be bashing ghosts instead of discussing substance.

Is this what you want?

[-] -2 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

We should reserve the next week to do nothing but bash the Twinkle Team dork trolls. After two years of their forum infiltration, banning user after user, swearing, death threats, paralyzing the forum with their attacks and dorky squabbles, etc... We deserve a week of full on party and forum reclamation.

I say stab those Twinkle Team dork trolls in the back. Party over their heads. Dance over the corpses of those dorky goofball infiltrators.

Let's get it out of our system.

After the party, then we discuss substance.

After being in chains for two years because of these bums, we should have a week to gloat and celebrate without your stupid motherly concerns. Give us what we deserve mom. We want to spit on our abusers. And, we will.

I have trolled no one.

You are trolling all over this page with your motherly attitude. You claim I am concern trolling when that is exactly what you are doing. You're a Twinkle Team dork troll. You were labelled a trolled and banned. You are not invited to this party goofball.

Thing is man, nobody cares about what "you just sayin'".

[-] 1 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

Ok, so you WANT to spend 4-5 more days attacking ghosts?

That says it all. YOU want to troll/flame war and I suppose THAT is why YOU were banned by "Jart"?

Please be reasonable.

Substance is more important than your personal vendettas

I thought you said "Jart" had admin priviledges for banning.

How did your ghosts ban all these supposed people.

[-] 0 points by RepubocratH8R (8) 2 months ago

Imjustsayin, I'm just saying you should GO AWAY. G O A W A Y !! David Winter, Zendog, we DO NOT want you here anymore. Go away ghost. You are now banished. You are now part of the soap opera of the banned.

Go Away. David Winter. Go Away Zendog, I SAY.

GO AWAY Banned Ghost ......... GO AWAY , I S A I D !!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] 1 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

So you also want to attack the banned twinkle team for a week?

Why?

[-] 1 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

We will get over it in time, but give us a week or two to batter you a bit. OK shooz? ;-)

[-] -2 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

Yes, I want to gloat and spit on the carcasses of the Twinkle Team dork trolls. They hijacked this place for two years. I think 4-5 days is little to ask.

I thought you said "Jart" had admin priviledges for banning.

How did your ghosts ban all these supposed people.

Would you stop with your moronic premises and rhetorical questions. You sound like a goofball. Look, Twinkle Team dork troll, we don't want you here. We think you're kind of dumb. Capiche?

[-] -2 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

One small precision which I forgot to mention but which is very important.

You say - "Is this your grand plan? Get those you flamewar with banned, then attack them without opposition. "

First, I did not get them banned. They did that all by themselves. GirlFriday used inappropriate language in almost all her posts and comments. ZenDog used death threats and other types of gratuitous violence. shooz abused his moderation powers, banned many users, and kept attacking everyone and cornering people into personal squabbles. DKAtoday did much the same as shooz. They were relentless.

Second, I did not ban them. Someone with admin privileges did.

I just wanted to clarify that. Yes, I did point out the Twinkle Team first. 2 years ago to be exact. But I did because of their bad behavior. That came first. It's their bad behavior that got them booted from here, not me.

I know people like to make up all kinds of stories and blame Trashy for everything. But, there are limits. 90% of what people accuse me of is complete fabrication. This is one great example.

The Twinkle Team sowed their own demise. They are 100% responsible for having been banned.

[-] 1 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

Can you substantiate any of this?

If it's over why have you continued your flame war with these people even after they are gone & unable to defend themselves.

Clearly you have a problem setting aside the flame wars.

Were you ever banned?

[-] -3 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

I don't have to substantiate any of this. If you were an active member of the forum, you saw for yourself the evil ways of the Twinkle Team. It was obvious they were here to destroy the forum. If you are new, then you'll have to take my word for it. I ow you no substantiation or defense.

I fought 2 years against these infiltrators. They finally got banned yesterday. All at once. Spare me a few days to gloat. This is a huge victory. The forum is clean again.

Banned. Yes, I think everyone was. One of the reasons I was banned was because of the Twinkle Team. They fabricated so much lies about me. They were professional infiltrators. They infiltrator up until the moderation roles and banned hundreds of users themselves. They basically killed all the users until only they were left. At the end if was the Twinkle Team + a handful of others. Their behavior became so obvious that jart finally put a stop to it. I have no idea why no one else saw the danger like I did 2 years ago. But, whatever. They are banned now and that is what matters.

It's time to start anew now. Tomorrow is a new day.

I agree with now. No more name calling. No more false accusations.

[-] 3 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

The forum is absolutely NOT clean because since the event 2 days ago you have relentlessly engaged in a psychoticic one sided flame war with people who ARE.NOT HERE!!!!!!

Don't substantiate anything. I don't care You must know I can't believe anything you say though.

Perhaps you should discuss some substantial issue that affects the 99%.

[-] 3 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

Leave shooz. You are unwanted and banned for a reason.

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

am I seriously supposed to believe 6 people upvoted this ?

[-] -1 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

Is it that hard. That guy was such a troll. Everyone hates him.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

yeah

I'm just not picking up on that group vibe

a collaborative elaboration just isn't there

[-] 3 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

Why should I leave? I haven't done anything wrong have I?

Like you I am anonymous, While you have been flamewarring at ghosts for days, my only comments are attempting to moderate your extremism.

Please moderate yourself

[-] 0 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

Leave shooz. You are unwanted and banned for a reason.

[-] 1 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

Are you trolling me now? Is this what you want for the forum?

Chasing/trolling people away who disagree with you?

We disagree on your continued days long attack/namecalling of ghosts, rather than meaningful substance.

Please moderate yourself

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[-] -2 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

I haven't usurped anything. That is a false accusation by shadz. An unsubstantiated fabrication. I had nothing to do with what happened during the last few days. I do not have admin privileges, nor moderation privileges. I have no privileges at all except for those of a normal user. I cannot change usernames, deactivate usernames, ban people, etc...

My bet is the Twinkle Team was removed by jart. She is the only one with admin privileges as far as I know. I suggest you write an email to ask her what happened.

I'm not here to attack anyone. I'm happy the Twinkle Team are gone, true. I have been saying since the day they arrived that they were trouble. Big trouble. I had fought them for 2 years. They were not occupiers. They were real trolls. They had only one intention, to ruin this forum. I'm sure they were paid by the Democrat Party. In any case, that is over now.

I'm only interested in talking about capitalism, and other OWS issues. I have no squabbles with anyone here. I have no intention of getting into personal fights. If people want to discuss things seriously, I'll be more than happy to.

[-] 4 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

You seem to have your own set of "unsubstantiated fabrication".

This very comment is full of numerous attacks, namecalling & allegations while claiming to not want to do just that.

Can you see that contradiction?

Please moderate yourself.

[+] -4 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

I name call against the Twinkle Team. I have no problem with that. They were paid trolls with the soul goal of destroying this forum. They attacked it day in day out. They were all banned together for a reason. They all worked together. It's OK to use name calling when name calling is deserved. No contradiction there. Those people were not OWS people. They were infiltrators.

But please, let's stop talking about them already. They have been decapitated. They are gone now. Time to turn the page.

Amongst ourselves we should stop using name calling. Discuss things maturely. We should also stop making false accusations.

[-] 2 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

"namecalling is ok" & "we should stop using name calling"

That's clear.

"let's stop talking about them"????

You've been talking about them for days.

You wanna stop?

Then STOP!!!

PLEASE moderate yourself

[-] -3 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

It's OK to use name calling against the Twinkle Team. They were devious infiltrators. It's not OK to use name calling against legitimate occupiers.

Now, shooz, please leave. jart banned you for a reason. You are not wanted here.

[-] 2 points by Imjustsayin (87) 2 months ago

It is NOT ok to name call at all if you want to discuss substantial issues that affect the 99%.

Calling me one of your nemesis is the 1st step to demonize me and transfer your flame war to me.

Substance, not flameing

[-] -3 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

Leave shooz. You are unwanted and banned for a reason.

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[-] 1 points by pigeonlady (200) from Brooklyn, NY 2 months ago

I was kinda hoping you meant the god. You know, a hotline to the supernatural is a good thing. So --- who is your Odin? And why is he oozing? From here, unfortunately, I just want to go on -- what color is OccuBlood? Ok, I'm sorry, I can't think of anything else to say except a bunch of one-liners. Later.

[-] 1 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

i agree

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[-] -1 points by RepubocratH8R (8) 2 months ago

Jart is a young person, who apparently does not have a good managerial sense. Jart is skilled at writing code, but oversight is needed here so that moderation abuses do not occur. There is a very easy solution to avoid abusive moderators.

A very simple solution would be that when a moderator bans any user or removes any comment, those actions be sent to a queue. That queue could later be accessed by a higher level judge at leisure. Additionally forum users could also report abuses to this queue for oversight.

The Twinkle Team was a caustic, abusive bunch. All of their agregious abuses could have been controlled. If proper forum protocol is implemented for future moderation, we will not have to suffer their type of abuses.

[-] -2 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

Yes, agreed on all points.

The problem is this is not a community forum, but a jart forum. She has all the power. It is not run in anarchic fashion.

Ideally, moderators would be voted in by the community. Everyone would have a say. They would get the "job" for a given period of time before they would be rotated or voted in again. At any time, if a majority of users feel something is wrong, they should be able to call for a new vote.

Users should be allowed to create polls to gauge if the community still supports the moderator or moderators. Users should be able to create posts to discuss moderation issues. Etc...

Up till now, this forum has been moderated in totalitarian fashion. Moderators are chosen by jart, often their identity is kept secret, they ban without warning or explanation, it is impossible to discuss any aspets of the moderation, forum rules are made without asking the community of users, etc...

As for the Twinkle Team, a horrible disaster caused by a lack of judgment. Those baboons should never have been given moderation privileges.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

gotta wonder why there isn't enough space for everyone

got an issue: create a a thread

when I post; I am not subjected to a barrage of insults or spam

I take advantage of opposition and post personal attacks in a youtroll thread

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6667) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

had we harnessed the power of the web to remove the geographical barriers between us this forum could been a powerful tool, but as with so many things ego prevented progress, more so on the part of "activists" than the lack of focus here, those at the "live" events cared nothing for the thoughts expressed here and thus their egos prevented them from acquiring the wisdom of millions

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

I remember back in '92 at San Diego state university we had group fighting for public education cuts and student fees. A small group including myself of 20 camped out in front of the Library 6 months. The group splintered over the student elections.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6667) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

the ego is the enemy

[+] -5 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

Twinkle Team dork trolls were banning user after user. They didn't want space for everyone. They only wanted space for themselves. They were infiltrators. That's why they wanted moderation control of this place. So they could kill all the users off one by one.

So, if you want to cry about having space for everyone, then go shout after the Twinkle Team dork trolls, not after me. I didn't even ban them. Jart did.

[-] -2 points by RepubocratH8R (8) 2 months ago

Correct SNFNB,BUTsexy.

The Twinkle Team only supported old establishment ideas. They were nasty geriatrics on caffine and steroids. The Twinkle Team would always troll, harrass, gang up and ban any true occupiers.

[-] -2 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

On caffeine? Not sure. Judging from their slow wit, they were probably on some type of downers. Man, I swear that shooz guy was lobotomized. What a moron.

[-] -2 points by RepubocratH8R (8) 2 months ago

You're probably right. shooz was a sad case.

I think he was lobotomized, had alzheimers and took downers.

Technically he was not a moron. He was clinically diagnosed as an idiot.

[+] -4 points by jackiechantheman (-76) from New York, NY 2 months ago

Looks like SNFNBbutSexy started an official insultathon.

https://occupywallst.org/forum/official-twinkle-team-insultathon/

[-] -3 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

We need an official Twinkle Team Insultathon.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

positive reinforce produces greater feed back

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (6667) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

Odin is, was, and shall ever be a TROLL

[-] 1 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

I nominate you the first-ever Democratic Wing Nut factsy.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6667) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

Well since you've been here about a week do you really think you're a good judge of that?

I vetted Odin myself long ago I assure you he is 100% TROLL

[-] 1 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

You "..vetted Odin....long ago.."?? Err.. factsy that's kinda like having the fox count the eggs. Don't ya think Mr. Neocon Democrat?

I think it may be time for you to make another YouTube video. The last one was hilarious. Was it meant to be?

[-] 4 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

don't bother with this kid - he has a one track mind and his one track is not very interesting. i am guessing he is a summer intern for the dems or some such. as for odin - he was the man - a real ows man. this kid - wouldn't last 5 minutes in the park - he would be hooted out of any discussion. but here he can snipe and run away - like the little rich boy he is

[-] 2 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

Agreed, Odin was pretty cool, but he always had trouble following good advice. He just doesn't know when to turn off his recalcitrant nature especially when dealing with partisans who foolishly believe that this rev.. is about voting in more Democrats.

[-] 2 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

sounds like a perfect ows person. everything this kid is not

[-] 2 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

And now along with family I'm off to meet more "recalcitrant" brothers and sisters at The 10th Annual Alaska Renewable Energy Fair.. It's being held in Anchorage, just past the native village of Eklutna.

http://alaskarenewableenergy.org/

[-] 3 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

eklutna - i looked it up yesterday - i was thinking it was a greek name but now your going native. have a good one. we am in the ground array solar construction business - if you run across anyone who is building a big ground array tell them you know a post driver!

[-] 2 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

Both fortunately (mostly!) and unfortunately, I spent most of my day at the Renewable Energy Fair doing kids' stuff with my granddaughters, and listening to some great bands. I did meet some interesting people who I had some good conversations with including several people in the criminal justice field, and a woman who was campaigning for Mark Begich, one of Alaska's US Senators (a Democrat). After expressing my non-partisan views, she admitted that she was a Democrat with a small 'd.' She was very happy with the Alt Banking book that I gave her, and promised to read it.

[-] 3 points by flip (7002) 2 months ago

sounds like a damn good day

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[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

uses applicable tangential

[-] -2 points by cometotheparty (-66) from New York, NY 2 months ago

He was cut from the same mold as Trashy. The type that always challenges authority. The type that doesn't take no for an answer. The type that fights for what he believes in. A true anarchist. A real occupier. He doesn't care what others believed. He his own man.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6667) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

err, when was the last time you saw "odin" on the site? yes i vetted him kicked his ass and he left, simple as that after you have been here awhile you will see, there are others always creeping up but that odin dude he got his butt handed to him

[-] 1 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

From having read many of your posts which seem to always revert back to Nader, and after having seen you in your YouTube video, I would venture to say that its been quite a while since you "kicked" anyone's "ass" whether with words or physically. You are an entertaining little man. I'll give you that.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6667) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

thank you Matt for that thoughtful comment, I see your thought processes are still working fine even if that whole "job" thing is a bit of a struggle

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

a struggle would suggest progress

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (6667) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

why don't you look around for that "odin" dude and asked him,

"you won't find a live one no matter where you look"

it is good that you can read, too bad your thought processes are so flawed

[+] -4 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

I never understood why people thought you were a troll. We had our differences, for sure, but I always thought you espoused the very philosophy of Occupy. Your intentions have always seemed to go along with OWS.

I guess our main difference has always been the delivery. You always favoured a type of soft approach, that is why you didn't like it when I used bots to disarm the Twinkle Team. I, on the contrary, have always used a type of Occupy no nonsense approach. When facing injustice, occupiers never follow the law (because if those that create laws are not just, then those laws rarely are), they Occupy! Which is what I did vis à vis the Twinkle Team.

In any case, you are not a troll, that's for sure. You are an occupier, even if you are a bit soft. (That is not so important, just a matter of style.)

Please consider being a moderator. You would be great in my opinion.

[-] 6 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

''Bots'' ?! ''Twinkle Team'' ?!! ''No nonsense approach'' hmm ?!!!

So just how many monikers are you running here now, huh ?!!

What does your mania & clear MPD imo, say for this forum ?!

As 'concern trolling' fades, folk'll realise u've nothing to say, as

"These days when people think they've something to say ....

"They move their lips but all that comes out is a bunch ...

''Of gibberish ..... because they forgot about Dre' '' ..

Who's now, lol & hmm, a billionaire by the way .

Got any more - Teddy Roosevelt dictums ?

Your Libertarianisms show again, hmmm.

Also fyi, perhaps consider this ...

Which concludes : ''Some might take this diagnosis as indicating that the critiques of electoral-representative structures coming from these two different perspectives counterbalance each other, and that it is thereby important to hold the center by defending and protecting electoral-representative structures. We disagree.

''We think that the existence and strength of the two kinds of attacks show that the electoral-representative structures have become irremediably obsolete. Even if they played a positive role in the past history of democracy, they are now chronically malfunctioning and are destined to disappear as a result of technological change and globalization. The fight between the two opposite proposals will be crucial for determining the future of democracy and ultimately the future of humanity.''

verum ex absurdo ...

[+] -5 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

If you want to be a philosopher I'm interested in discussion.

If you want to be a squabbler you'll do that alone.

I find it sad that you keep up with your false accusations of me, like your character description indicates. I had nothing to do with banning your username. Vent your anger towards those responsible, not me.

[-] 5 points by ShadzSixtySix (1159) 2 months ago

You hacked and usurped this forum !!! Even IF good things can come from it !! Ergo .. you are in the frame - especially as you tried so fkn hard to lump me in with 'The DNC / Likud Faction' .. who were clearly out of control here & you seem to have done your share of 'squabbling' with snooz here btw !

''A key committee of the World Bank's governing board Wednesday spurned appeals to revise a draft policy statement that, according to nearly 100 civil-society groups, risks rolling back several decades of reforms designed to protect indigenous populations, the poor and sensitive ecosystems.''

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

Thanks. I knew that sooner or later, taking into consideration this was an Occupy site, that by giving shooz & his vile crew enough rope, he would eventually hang himself. Without wanting to elaborate, I would like to think that I played a sort of behind the scenes role in that, using various tactics much in the same way that Eisenhower did in bringing down McCarthy.

So OK although I favor the "soft approach," I don't give up. I'm a bit tenacious, and like you I suspect am a subscriber to the belief that, "Treachery is noble when aimed at tyranny."....Pierre Corneille

[+] -6 points by shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy (-113) 2 months ago

Yes, you are tenacious! True, seen in that light you aren't that soft. That is correct. Nice quote, that is exactly how I have dealt with this forum. People claim I attacked OWS and the forum, but I was always attacking what I deemed as ennemies of OWS. First the conspiracy theorists, truthers, jew haters, etc... and then the Twinkle Team. I built bots especially to attack those two groups.

I do hope you can become moderator. I think you would be fair. You have a good head on your shoulders, and don't easily get pulled into lame squabbles.