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Forum Post: I also want to apologize to shadz66 and others

Posted 2 months ago on July 29, 2014, 7:15 p.m. EST by ZenDog (-18) from Burlington, VT
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I have been really bad in the last year.

I used death threats, swearing, and exhibited other types of bad behavior that have no place on a forum such as this one. In so doing, I realize I have soiled and tarnished the reputation of OWS.

I should not have been so selfish. The reputation of OWS is more important than me venting my anger at the world. I won't hide it. I had a rough year. I should have used a proper out for my anger and grief. A psychologist perhaps.

I'm very sorry guys.

Please find it in your hearts to forgive me.

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[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

hey ZD ... :) ... personally... I share your frustration here ... as I also do with much from both sides....

I believe our real problems is that of lack of education ... primarily on the specifics of specific issues ...

while I believe that the conservatives are (usually unknowingly) trying to destroy the middle middle ... and therefore destroy the economy ... which will eventually destroy America....

I also believe that the liberals & conservative are (usually unknowingly) trying to destroy our personal freedoms from the expansion of more & more federal & state level legislation ...

I believe that ultimately Direct Democracy ... is our best answer ...

anyway.... until then.... I truly truly believe that the solution for this OWS site (and there many) ... as well as the solution for the world is for us to focus on & argue specific issues ....Specifically, fully and in detail ...

That will bring us together ...

That will unite all of us (the 99%) ...

Our real enemies are not one side or the other ....

Our real enemies are those from both sides who are willing to sell their souls and their votes for personal gain ...

the difference between a modern politician & a Statesman ...

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (-18) from Burlington, VT 2 months ago

I'm starting to see that now. I want to be more sociable. To work together instead of always fighting.

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (2650) from Waterville, NY 2 months ago

A person who is willing to admit they have done something wrong,and who sincerely promises to change to an honest & open modus operendi deserves to be forgiven and should be allowed to start again with a clean slate.Whether or not this can actually happen in so many cases here on this forum remains to be seen.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (-18) from Burlington, VT 2 months ago

Thanks man. I want to change.

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (2650) from Waterville, NY 2 months ago

Everybody gets overwhelmed by anger & frustration from time to time.I myself was once possessed of enduring patience.Now-not so much.If you really believe-and understand that another world IS possible,we want to hear what you have to say.

[-] -1 points by justinTime (-6) from New York, NY 2 months ago

I agree, but I think ZenDog should take a break before returning. Just to clear his head and come back in a good and productive mood. If he's serious about wanting to change, then he won't mind taking a breather.

[-] 6 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

You want Zendog to take "a break".. to "clear his head" ...to take a "breather"? You mean like a couple of weeks? Look jT, this dude and a couple of his pals didn't just have a couple of slips on contentious issues that they felt passionate about...That would be understandable...Rather it was a concerted effort by them to shut down any voices that opposed their neocon beliefs. And they tried to accomplish this by intimidation, by continuously saying some really nasty shit to other posters on here who had the gall to disagree with them & let's not forget all the unjust bannings.... And they have been doing all this for close to three years. How many posters left this forum because of them? The answer is, a slew of them, But hey I'm fine with forgiveness & redemption....so if I had anything to say about it, I would give them a year off...at least.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

I'm surprised at the tenacity of this forum

a slew of posters left because occupy is no longer camped in the park

[-] 1 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

Do you really think that is the main reason why most of the posters left the forum?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

street level connection helps

[-] -1 points by jenniferredshoes (-3) from Brooklyn, NY 2 months ago

I jus' got #1 favar to ask dawg! Time for yous to shine! Don't yous give up on us now. You da missing link. Da guy that does connect da ground to da site. Da cyber to da real. We got those trash twinkies outta da ways, now yous gotta step up to da plate, right? I said this years ago, yous da missing link. Da real OccuDawg arounds here. Yous gotta responsibility. Yous gotta shows da way. You take control of this place now. Yous gotta shine now. It's your time!

[-] 1 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

If we want this forum to be an integral part of our movement, we're all going to have to work together. In order for that to happen tho.., we need a moderator who does his job. Except for a little outreach, the only "link[ing]" & "shin[ing]" that I have wanted to do for the past two months, and for the next month is and will be with the grandkiddies here in AK. They're a bit rebellious and independent. Gee, I wonder where that came from. ;-)

[-] 0 points by jenniferredshoes (-3) from Brooklyn, NY 2 months ago

True indeed. However, after such a long time of erring in wrong directions because those in charge had nothing to do with Occupy, I would say the influence of someone like you is highly needed to help steer things back in line with OWS. Don't act as a decider, telling others what to do, but act as a leader in the sense of showing us the right way through example. You are our Messiah, and this is a new day. Light shines upon us... The twinkle team have finally been defeated!

[-] 2 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

We should all work to, "Be the change we wish to see in the World." Gandhi...or lead by example. Hence we don't need to have a "Messiah" or a 'boss', especially me. I abhor being bossed, and am not fond of 'bossing' either. As for the twinkle team being defeated 'permanently.' We'll see.

[-] 0 points by jenniferredshoes (-3) from Brooklyn, NY 2 months ago

Amen! Tabula Rasa. We clean the table, forgive and forget all venom between users here, and start fresh. Now that the evil villains are gone, we can get back to OWS.

[-] 1 points by eklutna (101) 2 months ago

From life experiences I know that time heals most wounds. I am not ready to "forgive" and "start fresh" with these dudes anytime soon though, and I will never forget what, and the vile way 'how' they tried to take over this forum. Call it a fault of mine, if you like.

[-] 1 points by jenniferredshoes (-3) from Brooklyn, NY 2 months ago

Not what I meant. You know I detest the Twinkle Team with all my blood and sweat. I was the first to attack them, to pinpoint them, to talk about the danger they posed to the forum, etc... That was 2 years ago. I don't expect anyone to forgive or forget what they did here. That's because they have no remorse. They came here to destroy, that's all. I hope they never come back.

I mean between all the others users. Between people like you and me, who actually care about OWS. The Twinkle Team had nothing to do with OWS except that they wanted to kill it.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

does it pay ?

[-] -2 points by jenniferredshoes (-3) from Brooklyn, NY 2 months ago

And I tells ya man, my mate Trash saw them two problems way back. Way way back. Years ago. That OccuDawg was talkin' bout Da Bridge to Da Ground and Da Twinkle Team before my 2 year old son was born. That dawg sees straight to the point man. Like a guided Tomahawk missile. Straight on target.

[-] -2 points by jenniferredshoes (-3) from Brooklyn, NY 2 months ago

He's talkin' bout Da Bridge To Da Ground. That connection to the real. What's the point of discussing ideas if they ain't gonna be practiced right? Most OccuDawgs get bored if it's all about theory man.

Well, you occuDawgs are both right. You and Matt. C, there was two exodus. Most users left cause there wasn't no Bridge To Da Ground. But that exodus was at the beginning. After the first few months. But after that, you right. That was the second exodus. People being banned by the Twinkle Team or just running away from them dorks.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1710) 2 months ago

after the presidential reElection, is when I left

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (2650) from Waterville, NY 2 months ago

I feel that ZD has behaved abominably.If he were to be dealt with harshly with a long stint in the Penalty Box,few would argue against it.I myself am not so sure about what should be done.I dislike exclusionary policies.It is probably not a good or helpful thing if people on the forum advocate violence,fascism,xenophobic nationalism,racism, &c.I could live with putting people in the Penalty Box for contaminating the Forum with those sorts of things.

[-] 0 points by cometotheparty (-66) from New York, NY 2 months ago

ZD has mental issues. he needs a psychologist, not a penalty box.

senility unfortunately.

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (2650) from Waterville, NY 2 months ago

No concrete evidence for your statement on the subject of ZD.In fact,there is no way of knowing very much about ZD with regard to his motivations or his circumstances.His participation here has been disruptive upon occasion.Some people have an agenda.Some people are just disruptive in the way they interact.I have no clue on the matter in any specific case,but a forum of this type should not exclude anyone except temporarily.unless repeated stays in the PB fail to curb their disruptive interactions.IMHO.

[-] 0 points by cometotheparty (-66) from New York, NY 2 months ago

you are right. i do not know what his motivation was. i know the result made it seem like he had mental issues, but perhaps he was faking it for some purpose. motives of people on the web don't interest me to be honest. i just care about the result. if someone posts left wing stuff, i have no idea if he really is a left winger. i don't care. i just care about the stuff that is posted.

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (2650) from Waterville, NY 2 months ago

ZD is apparently a distraught and distressed citizen.His postings do not really match a cointelpro profile.I like ZD,but I dislike any sort of discord.Many people can be driven away by name calling and all that.It is better to disregard it.

[-] 0 points by shortNbaldNfatBUTSexy (-79) from New York, NY 2 months ago

I tend to agree with cometotheparty. He was probably suffering from mental issues. Especially because his personality did a severe and quick metamorphosis about a year ago. Something bad must have happened. Something unnatural, something occult? No... I'm joking. Although he seemed possessed by some type of evil force, I don't believe in possessions from another dimension. He was probably just going through stressful times in life. This break from the forum will be healthy for him.

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (2650) from Waterville, NY 2 months ago

Well.I like ZD.I hope he does come back rested and refreshed.Unless he is a Supercrafty Agent of Reaction.In that case I hope they move him to somebody else's forum.

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[-] 1 points by takethehint (40) from Queens, NY 2 months ago

Hey troll thing. Please leave. Jart doesn't want you here anymore. That's why she changed your name. Can't you get the hint.

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[-] 3 points by takethehint (40) from Queens, NY 2 months ago

You didn't get her hint?

1) She added Troll to your name. She is the only one with admin powers to do that. 2) She agreed with DKAtoday that she should probably take down the site. (Because she is losing patience with you trolls) 3) Even though she has been notified, she hasn't done anything to revert your names back. Why? Because she's the one who changed them in the first place.

On an Occupy issue... Lol, you are funny.

The reason you were labelled a troll is because you never talk about Occupy. You spend your days attacking other users with your stupid petty fights.

Grow up troll thing.

You were sent here to destroy the forum. You succeeded. Bravo. Can you not get another mission now? Ask your boss for another target. Leave jart alone man.

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[-] 1 points by takethehint (40) from Queens, NY 2 months ago

Take the hint will ya. Jart thinks both you and shooz are trolls. This is her site. Maybe you should leave now. You are not wanted here.

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[-] 1 points by takethehint (40) from Queens, NY 2 months ago

Suffixing your name with Troll is pretty clear isn't it? What more do you want? Jart is basically screaming Troll in your ear.

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[-] 1 points by takethehint (40) from Queens, NY 2 months ago

Don't you have enough of the shoozTroll kissing your ass everyday?

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[-] 3 points by takethehint (40) from Queens, NY 2 months ago

Bots aren't a problem. There aren't any.

Trolls like you are the problem. That's why jart gave you a hint by changing your name.

Are you an idiot or something. She wants you to leave, not start new threads.

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[-] 3 points by takethehint (40) from Queens, NY 2 months ago

I am calling you names because you are a shameless troll who spends all his time destroying this OWS forum either by 1) banning others 2) attacking others 3) using your foul dirty mouth.

Jart has labelled you a Troll for a reason. With a capital T.

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[-] 4 points by takethehint (40) from Queens, NY 2 months ago

Look, everyone knows you're a troll. You've been tagged a troll now. No one likes you here. Can't you take a hint? You've soiled OWS enough. Don't you think?

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