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Richard...maybe put some links on this OP to the forums you'd like us to see and to your blog.
I know I've looked at them. Quantum Easing will cause inflation, and lower dollar value. Just another trick of government that does help bankers. And prop up the market in short term.
there are a lot of random posts and comments, as you note.
ok now I see the graphics.
first one depicts inflation increase dramatically since mid 70s. Second one I am not exactly sure the right hand numbers represent? 79000 to 84000 and shows June to November of this year?
ok I see it is from here http://www.fxstreet.com/rates-charts/usdollar-index/ and this year
measured against foreign currencies The USD Index measures the performance of the US Dollar against a basket of currencies: EUR, JPY, GBP, CAD, CHF and SEK. It includes 9 chart types, 1 up to 1,000 periods and a vast range of customizable technical indicators.
Glad to see you finally admit you are tying to subvert the forum with stuff you've found in the Wall Street Journal.
You should have put it on your blog and been done with it.
That's the problem - he can't get anyone to read it.
Ya think?
Perhaps he should adapt a tack in keeping with OWS.
He doesn't exhibit much of that here
No - he has no consistency - he is all over the place - even attacks those that might agree with him. Provides good information from time to time - but that may be accidental or a lure.
He didn't like it when I tried to be nice and agreeable, so WTF?
I sure won't bother when he's posting from the WSJ.
He won't even admit that Murdock owns and operates it these days, along with the DOW,
Talk about multiple conflicts of interest.
He is an ongoing distraction - nothing more - even if that was not his intent - but it is hard to believe that it isn't.
Now he's defending Murdock.
You can't get much lamer.
Murdock the slime master - OMG - well makes sense in a way.
It would have helped, had he not immediately began being insulting.
Calling me a union hack for pointing out that the WSJ isn't exactly a paragon of truth about much of anything these days.
I don't see the connection, but what the hell.
These days that it's owned and operated by Murdock.
He should just find a place to stand and make his case - BUT NO - He jumps all over the place - often times arguing both sides of a coin - at the same time.
Defamation based on refusal to play into party politics is also exposed in the OP. As stated, partisan comments are being used as a tactic. Sorry I don't just play along and sit in a neat little box for you.
Hell - you have no position. Not even for yourself.
Sure, I am anything you want to call me. You've already laid out the example and continue to do so.
Whatever RKG - you might want to look into weaning yourself off of psychedelics.
Sure, I post about the Fed for giving handouts to WallSt, get attacked time and again for it, attempts are made to neutralize or discredit the threads and me for posting about it, I call it into the light and you attack me. Sure, nothing to see here. Are you really so dense?
lol, so it's bad that I post stuff from the WSJ, that has more readers than this forum certainly, but "I" can't get anyone to read it? In case you haven't noticed, your direct replies are of no importance. Exposing patterns and trends of certain users on this forum "is the point". The rest of the country already knows all of this stuff.
1st you should have some sort of standing. Currently you go all over the map with your opinions. So your opinion becomes pretty much useless.
And this is where I'm supposed to defend myself, so that I become the topic and not rising prices and a declining dollar?
No - you all too often make yourself the topic/distraction.
Still trying to make it about me. This thread is about you, homie.
Funny - everyone else who is not an attacker of the forum - thinks you are making this about you.
lol, yes, social pressure. Please apply more of your illusions. All of the 2 same people posting as 5 or 6, LMFAO. get real.
Popularity?
You should go watch American Idol and be done with all this unpopular stuff.
So yeah, it's bad, real bad, when you post from any Murdock entity and expect to taken seriously.
"be done with all this unpopular stuff."...
Most people Ive met at Occupy like that stuff. Most people Ive met while campaigning with Democrats like DailyKos.
You tell me what group of people has a better understanding of what is going on? The MSNBC crowd or the Occupiers. In my opinion its clearly the latter.
HUH?
You consider stuff from the John Birch Society worthy.
You post stuff that also gets posted on prisonplanet.com.
No, your veracity is suspect, and now you think the WSJ is just fine too, and attempt to equate it to what?
I'm not even sure.......I'm not even sure you're sure.
Go watch your football game.
It's richard that stuck his foot in this one. Let it go at that.
What exactly is your argument here?
Richard is trying to say pricing and the value of the dollar are problematic. Do you disagree?
Correct me if I'm wrong here richard on your intent.
You should have read more, then you would've known my argument lies in what richards source left out of the equation.
A source that richard places far too much faith in.
what is that?
You said that this is bullshit just because it's WSJ.... are the numbers inaccurate? Posting links to how the info posted is inaccurate is a better approach. But the numbers are accurate, right?
Source: US department of labor
Is on one of the graphs.
You too?
Really?
I'm going to say this just once more and still be nice about.
The chart and the comments from the WSJ that richard is quoting, are inaccurate, because they are missing too much necessary information. Too many facts are not incorporated.
I tried to get richard to use them in his thinking and he threw a hissy fit, and started screaming about the FED, like a Ron Paul nutter..
Besides, it's a government chart and I thought you didn't trust anything at all from the government?
I know I don't trust a fucking thing from the Wall Street Journal.
I guess you and richard have all the faith in the World in them.
Have fun with that.
So do you think the Fed has no role in the banks rule over the economy?
They play a huge role. Follow the money trail. Where do you think all those trillions came from?
I don't need the government to provide a chart to understand inflation. I can see it all around me. I see it when i buy my groceries. I see it when I buy a pair of socks. I see it when I buy a winter jacket.
When the gov says 2 plus 2 equals 4... it's fine. It's when they try to complicate the equation or change the numbers when I have a problem.
Never said I source my heart in WSJ. I'm just saying the specific info he posted is not false.
A stopped clock is correct, twice a day, it's still false as a time piece.
Like I said, have fun with that.....
You both still have an incredible issue with folding Wallstreet into the equation.
When I brought up Wall Street and bailouts and their role in job loss on another forum post you accused me of being off topic and said it was a "misdirection"
It's difficult to chat with you.
It's even harder to chat with you, when you come up with CATO crap.
That "equation" just doesn't add up, and you just can't put that square per into that round hole.
It just doesn't fit, unless this is your first recession, and you lack the experience about how they progress..
CATO crap?
The approach you mention is why I made the thread. shooz is just another sock of the same person. Using methods not unlike mainstream opinion makers and politicians. A trained mouthpiece. The attacks are only on threads that produce hard economic data.
Dude, go to an occupation and you'll find a shit ton of people that either love Prison Planet or think he's paid by the CIA.
I dont care what site something is from, its it data driven, assuming its not manipulated too bad, because all of it to some extent.
Like that post I posted about Marines going to Guatemala, I dont know what that site was, but I guess you did some investigative research in order to tie my beliefs to whoever codes the damn thing. But the fact was that Marines are in Guatamala. I dont care if Obama or McCain sent em there, its fucked up.
And the majority of the people at occupy like zerohedge also. ts a result of young people realizing the entire fuckin thing is fucked. Why cant you get that through your head? Just start going on a regular basis, bring ideas for actions, bring materials for sign making, etc.
Because quite frankly you call me a liar on just about everything but when Im over there most of it seems pretty common.
Has it occurred to you yet that this might be why OT has so few participants these days?
You have complained about it.
I for one don't want to hear anything from Alex Jones taken seriously at all. I use that site for amusement only.
Yeah, yeah. The whole thing is fucked. ( what an informative yet useless, statement) Getting info from conspiracy sites isn't going to change anything at all in a positive fashion.
It will however, create more confusion, derision, division and all kinds of ill informed, negative reactions.
Ive been to others, its the same. Same as college campuses. People are sick of the bullshit. They are sick of the two parties, of the entire system all together. There are way more people that think congress sucks and wants something new than there are dedicated people to either of the corporate parties.
The numbers are a shred of what they were from a year ago, and people listening to Alex Jones have nothing to do with it.
I have my own thoughts on why numbers are down. What are yours?
Sure. Have fun believing Alex Jones.
Isn't there another game on?
It's OK on TV, it's just people that fill the stadiums that are asses and sheep. Correct?
Those that watch all the advertizing on TV are revolutionaries.
Nothing wrong with football or sports in general. My point was that when that becomes the priority over self governance, its a huge problem. We are living in it now.
How about we just ignore what happens, pull some levers on November 6th, and then forget about everything for another four years. Because thats what happening now. Hence the masses are asses.
And I dont listen to Alex Jones, hes a little too nuts for me.
Self governance?
Isn't that the "gift" corporations are paying for?
Yes, it certainly is.
With every level of "self governance" the corporate citizen pays to gain.
We the "little" people lose.
You have the same reaction to graphs from the St Louis fed. You have the same reaction to dollar index graphs. All of you do. Try as you may, you all spent the last 6 months digging this hole.
Where's the graph that shows the Wallstreet profit pyramid?
Where's the graph equating WallStreet profit with inflation?
You're the one digging a hole here, if only by ignoring these things on a site like OWS.
Have you asked who has the motive to distract from these things?
That indeed the FED is just one more way Wallstreet profits?
Do you recall that that wasn't always so?
I do recall that some people around here won't admit to the fact that WallStreet now owns a controlling majority in the FED in the first place.
How convenient for them to now use that as a distraction.
How convenient that you buy into that libe(R)tarian crap, hook line and sinker.
Now that is one hell of a way to argue for continued handouts to the very entity being protested by Occupy. Thus the name "Occupy WallSt", not "Occupy anyone who questions the handouts to WallSt". Save your doublespeak, shit head.
More insults from the Wall Street Journal guy?
Throw Wall Street the hell out my government and every single libe(R)tarian too!
Such a useless lot.
The only thing worse are teabagge(R)s.
I'm gonna ignore your your insult for now, but I won't forget the quickness with which you use them.
I won't forget your inability to answer questions either.
Or is that you just refuse to be honest? As I believe you do have the ability to answer them.
How to you merge support for handouts to WallSt with your supposed support of unions?
The only one that's saying I support it is you.
Spinner.
richard the spinning hearted.
Spinning all day for libe(R)tarians and the Wall Street Journal.
Just another lost, confused, anti-union soul. Looking for a way to insult someone.
If you are against it, then why is the forum full of your attacks on me when I bring it up? Don't try and switch gears now. Too late.
Geeze 'O' fucking Pete.
I did!!!
I said it's WallStreet!!!
You used the WALL STREET JOURNAL to say it's the FED alone!!
Can't you see the conflict of interest?
Can't you admit that Murdock owns and operates it along with the DOW?
That he manipulates it for effect?
Are you really this stupid?
Of course you are.
You called me a union hack.
Proving that you, like Wall Street itself, like all true libe(R)tarians HATE unions....don't understand what they good for, nor what they are about.
You should back away from this.
I don't like being called names for pointing out the truth.
Have you not been working on that for over a year now? Sorry to say ( NOT ) I think you have only managed to confuse your self and let everyone know that - YOU - apparently have no position - that is - other then - to disrupt the forum.
I added the graphs to the OP, to clear up your confusion.
I am not confused - I have firm ground that I have been standing on from the beginning. You on the other hand seem to have no consistent position.
lol. nobody can find you supporting or informing on anything that isn't already mainstream sound bites. You brag about tweeting threads but your twitter is set to private so tweeting to your account has zero impact. I like the avatar though, it reminds me of another user who used to discredit hard data and anyone sharing it. Nucleus.
Um your "charts" are from main stream sources, and lack the one thing I asked you to provide.
If you look closely, well really you don't have to. What you will find is that the index you provided goes up with corporate/WallStreet profits.
Yep the MAIN engine of inflation. Corporations, WallStreet, private investment firms, hedge funds, the whole nine yards.
Taking out profit, while adding nothing of value to anything at all.
To do so, would limit profit.
Taking the conversation in a direction not implied in the thread is not going to happen. I created the topic, I damn well know better than you how to stick to my guns. Amateur.
You do?
Of course, just call those that disagree names.
Refuse to admit that they made a point.
Refuse to admit, that you didn't.
How mature. You liken it to gun play.
Nugent fan, eh?
:D
Whatever. Just do yo thing. Your agreement was not required for the point to be made. You never speak ill of the Fed or the handouts they continue to give to WallSt. Pretend and spin whatever tickles your fancy. If you are so anti-WallSt, why did you respond to this thread, since according to you, it doesn't apply to you? I didn't name you in the thread. Why'd you react? Whatever.
I reacted because I wanted to congratulate you on finally admitting that you have been attempting to subvert things for some time now.
Quoting from the WSJ, and then defending Murdock are just some of the ways.
Besides you messed up the other thread I was talking to you in.
I had little choice.
I messed it up? WTF! Laaaaammmmeeee......
Yes, you did and it was pretty lame of you to start this thread to continue it and not expect me to respond.
However i did congratulate on your admission..... of subversion.
What else could a quote and graph from the Wall Street Journal be?
What did you expect?
I shoulda said.........
'Oh yeah, that Rupert really got it "right" this time. After all those FLAKESnews lies'.
That wasn't gonna happen richard.
You knew that when you posted the thread.
The websites I used for the graphs are clearly stated on the graphs. They didn't come from the WSJ. Read much?
My twitter is set to privacy - but those that have requested and that I have allowed get my tweets - as well as those I have chosen to follow. What you ( YOU ) need to do is figure out - Who You Are - then - Find out what it is that you are - and what you should be supporting - then - stick with it.
These are not real questions, they are doubts you are attempting to impose upon me. This bullshit isn't suddenly going to begin effecting me or the issues I raise. I'm not some fuck'n intern that you can manipulate. I didn't grow up in the bubble of private schools and mansions. Something I'm sure you're all too familiar with.
You can think of me what you like - nothing I can do about that - as for your interaction(?) on this forum? It speaks for itself. You have no stance and you like to be a distraction as well as an attacker of individuals who come to this forum.
As I told, the other Sock, I didn't name you in the thread. It was your choice to react, which pretty much backs up everything I said. No idea why you even continue arguing it.
You are so screwed up that you need to inform your socks as to what you are doing? Get off of the psychedelics.
Look, it isn't personal. I really don't even know who you are and really don't care. Occupy WallSt is just that.Protest isn't supposed to be comfortable. There is an effort to suppress things on this forum that are directly to do with that protest and have real and verifiable effects on the 99%. I have a tag on my blog that says, Occupy The Web. That is what I'm on the web doing. If I have to look like an ass for fighting back against passive aggressive forms of protest suppression, I will. My goal is simply to push relevant information and I will make a scene and a protest if it is required, even on the forum. This is how I feel and what I'm dong about it. Get on board or move over.
Wow - even your argument for why you have no position is lame. You might want to hire a critique prior to posting - but make sure you use the same critique and that they remember what they have critiqued before so as they can help keep you on some sort of consistent stance.
Yes, I have conservative positions and liberal positions. That is what really pisses you off. None of the typical arguments created for the two party system apply to me. So you have made the same insinuation about me over and over, that I "mess with peoples' heads", "have no real position". The doubt, the other. Speaking of "Other", you by chance happen to work on Mit's campaign? lol.
Sure sure I was the one told him to keep lying and insult as many people as he could.
Posts like these are extremely important and get to underlying issues that are deeper than idiot D/R talking points.
The more economic data posts on the forum the better I believe.
Still maintaining the partisan atmosphere, I see. Too bad even MSM is being forced to acknowledge what is in everyone's face. Won't be long before this topic is too. Truth, it's everywhere you are.
I posted about this earlier that is where they got the party are not the same trolls. when i stated about how us arguing about policy wont change policy.
To that second graph is that the medium salary or something else
also how do they know or care if you read the WSJ
Forum Subversion: Any facts richardkentgates doesn't approve of (aka "refocus" in dickentgatespeak).
You comment regularly that Washington, not WallSt, is to blame.
Money in politics. Source, destination. WallSt to Washington. Feel free to continue explaining your position on this thread.
Thx for providing an example.
It's really bizarre that OWS would refuse to discus those things that most severely impact us economically.
No. Actually I'm surprised you missed the name of the movement.
Did you get lost?
WallStreet has and still is negatively affecting the state of the US and World economy.
The most severe impact in World history.
Why don't you want to discuss that?
Because you refuse to discuss the Obama support of Wall Street. Truthfully all of our emotional concerns could be solved by simply inserting some intelligence in government; these concerns are relatively easy to resolve. But our economic policy, on every front, seems to evade all.
That's been going on since Nixon.
Just where the fuck have you been?
Hiding behind Reagan?
WallStreet has fucked up our economy so bad and people like you who ignore it and want to place it all on the current administration, sicken me.
It was an extremest, hard right wing SCOTUS that forced Citizens United on my country.
I'm sure they were paid well to do so, assuring that all elections will go this way.
So stop playing coy.
This is the result of right wing BS. You can not force me to believe the current administration is at fault for this.
Whatever else, I may or may not believe about the man.
The money spent on this election, was forced upon it by the right wing, and it will not change until Citizens United is removed from the law books, never to return..
Wait a minute... are you saying Obama has not supported Wall Street with our dollars?
This is the point - it's the Obama supporters that refuse to address our economic policy because they know their boy has jumped in with both feet.
No I didn't say that.
You are, in fact ignoring everything I did say.
Now why would you do that?
I was actually pretty clear.
Look up the bail out. How much was approved - who set it up - when - and how it was approved to be used. You will find no one on this forum that will say it was set up and used properly. Except for shills - that is. The bail out should have been set up to relieve the stress from the bottom - and in so doing relieved the stress at the top. But that was not how it was set up by the administration in office - the shrub administration.
Spamming me by misusing my email will result in contacting the website owners and requesting your computer information. Careful where you step.
Downvote all you like. Truth stings don't it mutherfuckers.
Talking to your self RKG? You have been fucking with this forum for a long time now. And you are starting to feel the sting you say? Huh.
lol. I have never been part of the in crowd, it just isn't as important and I'm just not that insecure. If talking to myself seems apt, sure, why not :D
No sign of interest in poverty, economic causes of poverty. Another day of filling the forum with fluff. Another day of suppressing substantive issue. Another day of these frauds making excuses as to why every issue but economics and inequality matters.
WALLSTREET, is the economic cause of poverty, almost everywhere in the World.
How many times must I repeat the richard, before you understand it?
Now you can return to your fluff 'n' puppets.
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you will repeat it until it is actually a topic that manages to float on this forum without my help. So long as you and yours continue to fill this forum with fluff and feel good blather, I will continue calling out your attempts to suppress it. Your patterns don't match your words and any genuine supporters and/or onlookers can see it plain as day.
You must be "right" richard.
They were obviously fooling when they called it Occupy Wall street.
I never see you post anything about WallSt. I never see you supporting threads about wallst. I never see you supporting threads detailing how wallst does it's dirty deeds. I just see you saying it when you get called on it.
That's because you don't look richard.'
Too busy talking to your puppets?
At one point I went into great detail about how Wallstreet operates almost exactly like the mafia.
Show me.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/search/?q=user%3Ashooz
Unlike you richard, I comment on lots more threads that I didn't start.
Plus in the list there are several.
You get no kudos for party cheer leading dude. You guys are completely laughable.
What party cheer leading richard?
Pointing out the racism and lies and divisiveness of (R)epelican'ts is a different thing. One I've never seen you partake of. Not even in your home state, and there's a lot of it going on there. Including blatant racism on the part of the Florida GOP.
Something you should be up in arms about, but you're not.
It's something you never even mention and it's all around you.
Must you lie so constantly to sooth your ego?
WALLSTREET, is the economic cause of poverty///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Obummer is the economic cause of poverty