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Save Our Post Offices

Posted 1 year ago on July 1, 2012, 3:29 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt

March carrying Occupy the Post Office banner

The Community Labor Coalition to Save Postal Jobs & Services of SF takes it to the streets to save Civic Center PO

Article by Patricia Jackson for IndyBay; for photos and more info, check the original post.

Wednesday, June 27, we held a rally, march, and occupy of the Civic Center Post Office which serves many of the city’s homeless. We gathered in solidarity to support the national June 25-28 Hunger Strike by postal workers in Washington DC. This movement is growing across the country to stop threats of eliminating 220,000 living-wage jobs and closing 3,700 post offices including four in S.F. The majority of post offices threatened are in poor neighborhoods and rural areas.

These job-cutting, service-slashing ideas affect people who depend on deliveries of medications, social security, and pension checks. Though we live in a digital communication society, the arrival of our mail is the only communication in the country that reaches everyone 6 days a week. This service is a public resource and these measures are steps toward privatization.

Why is this public institution since 1792 in danger? In 2006, Congress manufactured a “budget crisis” through the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act which forced the United States Postal Service to pre-fund its future health care benefit payments to retirees for the next 75 years. This jeopardized USPS with a $20 billion debt. No other government or private corporation is required to do this.

The rally at the Federal Building kicked off with speakers from the coalition including, postal workers, labor and community groups, Occupy Oakland and Occupy SF. Coalition member, Michael of SF Gray Panthers spoke of the effects on seniors and the importance of keeping these good wage jobs traditionally held by people of color. Anne from Living Wage told of the necessity of keeping the PO open for folks to receive Social Security checks. Angela, a postal carrier asked what can congress be thinking by allowing the lay off of 220,000 people. There are already hundreds of thousands of workers already unemployed and many have run out of unemployment!

Gary of the Union of Unemployed Workers, called for organizing the unemployed. The organization will have a march July 11 at noon from Oscar Grant Plaza to the Oakland unemployment office. Unionofunemployedworkers [at] gmail.com

After the rally, people marched through UN Plaza, took the street and continued to the Civic Center PO chanting; The 1% full of greed Don’t’ let them take away what the people need!

Whose Post Office? Our Post Office!
No Closures No Cuts No Ifs’ ands’ or buts’!
Our Post Office is a People’s Institution It’s been around since the Constitution!

The entire protest reached the Civic Center PO and occupied it! We continued chanting and listening to people talk of saving the post office. Dave sang us his song, “Mr. Postman” “Mr. Postman, don’t go away, you walk down every street in the USA.” All then walked outside to continue protesting. With our show of determination and power, we can keep this post office, and all others open to keep serving the public. And we will be back!”

Build a nationwide movement! Defeat privatization! Keep living-wage jobs! Keep Saturday Delivery!

march carrying large Save Our Post Office banner

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[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20419) 1 year ago

This has been a targeted effort to privatize the postal service. Congress passed a bill to force the post office to fund it's pensions for a ridiculous 75 years into the future. Meanwhile most corporate pensions as well as other public pensions are, in fact, underfunded. They are not even funded enough to cover their current pensions. The cost of this requirement has the post office on it's knees while capitalists salivate at the thought of the profits that can be made through privatization. Look out, education, transportation and a host of other things are next on the list.

Sad thing is, 50, 75 years from now the only elderly folks who will have any money will be retired postal workers.

[-] 3 points by CTFreethinker (4) 1 year ago

Small observation--Social Security no longer mails checks. It is either direct deposit or, if someone does not have a bank account, an EBT card (like the ones used for food stamps).

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 1 year ago

Actually there are hundreds of thousands of people who continue to receive paper checks from SS via the USPS. There are hundreds of thousands who receive Workmens Compensation checks the same way. There are millions of people who receive their monthly utility bills via the USPS. Many of those people have no desire to change this, in the instance of WC the companies have no desire to change this.

Get ride of the prefunding of the pensions of the unborn, prehired and the post office will not only be operating at standard but profitable.

[-] 1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

I belive when Clinton was president.The goverment tried to force social security recipiants into direct deposite.There was a huge out cry.At that time many of the people alive had lived through the depression.And did not trust the banks.It did not go through at that time.It is very hard to live by cash today.The cost of cashing a check today are prohibative unless you want to use Walmart.I will never use Walmart.

[-] 0 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

Maybe they should go backwards like the union and liberals would prefer and end all electronic payments. Maybe we could all be taxed for email and that money too could go to help the Post Office avoid change.

[-] 2 points by PandoraK (1678) 1 year ago

Nice and snarky eh?

I simply point out a few facts and you respond with this? Come on now, that's now a attempt at discussion, it's an attempt at an argument.

The problem with the USPS is obvious to us all, it's the mandate to fund the pension plan 75 years in advance. It was obvious when it was enacted and an attempt to weaken the USPS as a service thus opening the area to private enterprise.

Daily we are shown that the internet is not secure, can not be made secure, yet millions entrust everything from finances to the most personal information to it.

Do you know the single most important event of the day for our military personnel, especially those over seas, is mail call? Do you know that the birthday dollar (or five) slipped into a birthday card lights up the world for a 5 year old? What private corporation could do this for 47 cents?

[-] 0 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

Defending the Post Office's email denial is a loser position. Volumes continue to fall and that's an objective fact. Come on, pick something else to be in favor of. It just validates the easy criticisms of liberals and unions that they'll support anything, no matter how absurd, as long as the money can be borrowed or comes out of someone else's pocket.

Congress for once got it right heading off the Post Office and the union piling up obligations for the taxpayers down the road. It shortens their denial run-way and that's a good thing. I'm shocked Congress would have the foresight.

Troops and 5 year olds? That's now the pitch for ignoring email? That's why even Saturday delivery is untouchable? That's why rural places require a truck pass their houses every day for eternity? That's just silly.

The Post Office needs to change. Saturday delivery should be cancelled right away. Many rural places should be dropped back to once a week (or less). They should explore joint shipments and perhaps mail staging so that private shipments and mail could be co-delivered.

I used to live in a rural place. Our mailbox alone was 7 miles off a highway and town was 35 miles away. Yet to this day, a truck comes out and drives past that house every day, even if the mail is junk. That's beyond inefficient, that's just stupid. But as long as it's seen as someone else's dime, it goes on. The shameless union would protest change even if the truck delivered nothing.

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 1 year ago

Yep, snarky.

Some things are just worth it.

I'm not talking about the unions, they didn't mandate the 75 year pension fund, talk to Congress about that one.

Just because you are computer literate doesn't mean the entire country is, there's something about a handwritten letter that is just more meaningful than a hastily dashed off email.

By the way, you do realize that the rural carriers are not USPS employees don't you? They are contract carriers, meaning they are self employed.

It appears you feel two things are necessary for the USPS to do, 1. eliminate the union 2. end rural delivery.

I am so very glad you only have the one vote the same as the rest of us do.

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

No, change as the world changes. Just because some people don't use email doesn't mean running the Post Office utterly unaltered for all eternity. Non-email users can certainly manage with something less than 6 day service.

At this point, the Post Office should've already stopped Saturday deliveries and further curtailed service in rural areas. They should've already made important changes to distribution and routing centers. But they've done none of it. They're already way behind.

It's more than just the unions and liberals that resist change. Pork barrel politicians do too. A Post Office could be down to almost nothing and if the local Congressman can get the rest of the country to pay to keep it open, he or she will. It isn't about the merit of the Post Office, it's about sticking someone else with the bill. And as long as they can do that, they don't give a damn about doing what's sensible.

The pension funding just keeps us from later holding the bag as the need for the Post Office continues to shrink. They'd happily continue to run up the promises and extend their time of inaction. Thankfully, Congress acted to prevent at least that part of the coming bailout.

Again, it's just such a ridiculous thing to defend. Find something else. But like I've written, maybe we're just lucky they don't still use horses because people like you would argue against trucks too.

[-] 2 points by PandoraK (1678) 1 year ago

LOL! "people like you would argue against trucks"

I owned a trucking company. LOL

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

Think of all those poor carters you put out of work! Job-killer, that's what you are, a heartless job killer!

[-] 2 points by PandoraK (1678) 1 year ago

Funny, I hired them to drive my trucks, load and unload them, wash them, maintain them...I'd say it more than balanced in their favor.

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

That's just so insensitive. Sure, you're there to offer them a few crumbs after crushing their livelihoods. Using horses and carts used far more labor than your greedy profit seeking trucking business. I just can't figure out who is worse, people like you or the people that invented email. Trucks are wrong and email is wrong.

Waste: something liberals and unions are fine with as long as it's someone else's money.

The good news is that government can now bring this same approach of denying change and progress to healthcare.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

indeed, we hardly need bankers

[-] -3 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

Maybe they should. This whole progress thing is reducing mail volumes and is threatening good union jobs. In fact, social security should pay daily and that would create even more jobs. LOL. I'm surprised the unions don't pitch this idea.

[-] 3 points by reeblite1 (4) 1 year ago

to US occupy members....protesting creates awareness outside the system, why not finding people from within occupy wall street to run for local offices, from city council, to mayor, to state representative, to attorney general to governor, to work inside the system, for true change? the single act of voting is what makes us a democracy and a tool to eliminate tea party constituents who are passing facist laws at the state level, successfully taking away our civil liberties. time to fight back at a true level of competency??? the democratic party will back your candidates in a heart beat. i don't get the resistance to true change. i love the idea of non profit banking, and doing things on your own, but the only true change is through changing legislation power and rules, which can be achieved by occupy wall street candidates, getting them elected into the system. do you simply find this too boring or too challenging? if the tea party could be so successful, just think how successful intelligent, caring people could be. the democrats are begging for candidates to come out and run, and are surprised it hasn't happened. hope stating a belief is considered rule breaking here. i support occupy phoenix, but thought you were also actively political, not simply protestors. if you are, i'm truly disappointed, being a protestor from the sixties, we had great candidates run for office for change. we need you. we want you, we're begging for you to run for office. you'll truly make a difference.

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[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Good Post

[-] 2 points by shooz (26679) 10 months ago

http://apwu.org/index2.htm

Let's keep the USPS public!!

[-] 2 points by shooz (26679) 1 year ago

This labor issue continues, in spite of those among us who disagree.

http://www.labornotes.org/2013/03/postal-unions-agitate-keep-delivering-mail-time-and-saturday

Indeed, in spite of those among us won't truly discuss labor issues

[-] 2 points by shooz (26679) 1 year ago

Let's not forget, this effort is on going.

Here's another point of view.

http://angryblackladychronicles.com/2013/02/09/u-s-postal-service-cuts-will-screw-women-and-minorities/

Aren't they always the first to get screwed by the neolibe(R)tarians?

[-] 2 points by shooz (26679) 1 year ago

Bump.

Because the anti-union coalition attacked me to drive down the truth.

See the link in the above posting.

[-] 2 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 1 year ago

One word. Constitution!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by shooz (26679) 3 months ago

The postal commons is still a very real issue.

Last Christmas, they proved themselves more efficient than FedEx and UPS.

So much for privatization.

http://www.occupy.com/article/now-moment-save-our-postal-commons

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[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

Contact your representatives !

[-] 1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

Anyone upset that Bush was not able to hand over there Social Security to Wall st.. like he wanted.Remind that old conservative fart about that next time you have a heart to heart with em.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No stock market casino for SS.

Fuck that Noise.

[-] 1 points by ponchovilla (16) 1 year ago

Sorry. All done saving. Have no more resources to give. We're just flat out of everything.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Excellent

[-] 1 points by CTFreethinker (4) 1 year ago

My comment re Social Security was based on the letter I received from the Social Security Administration earlier this year that the 2 options I mentioned were to be the only ones as of this year. It may not have been fully implemented as yet, but that's the direction the SSA is planning to go.

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[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 1 year ago

Are you claiming that the post office will not longer deliver medications, social security, and pension checks to some people?

I find that hard to believe.

[-] -1 points by caseman (-24) 1 year ago

Union, email, and online bill paying is what is killing the post office. USPS is no longer needed as in the past and about the only mail I get anymore is junk mail

[-] -2 points by caseman (-24) 1 year ago

Saving our post offices means that they must get rid of the union that is destroying them

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

The GOP attack on the USPS is just about Union Busting!! But you know that. So can your specious justifications for tearing down yet another one of the few remaining great institutions of this country. You righties are a miserable lot.

[-] -2 points by Arbour (-3) 1 year ago

You are on the wrong side of this issue, you need to embrace change. There is a reason why the pony express died off, there is a reason why the postal service is dying off - it's the same reason in both cases - times change......

[-] 4 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

Yes we all need to "embrace" Low wage non benifit employment.Yes we all need to "embrace" Large corporate subsidies.We all need to "embrace'Huge tax rebates for GE.Exxon.etc.While the average tax payer gets hammered.Yes we all need to "ebrace"the idea that education is only for the wealthy.Yes we all need to "embrace"Every single thing we are told by the corporate media and its sponsors.Just keep shoping and do not embrace any ideas that are contrary to what we tell you.

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Good Post

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

Yes, let's create all sorts of high paying jobs at government expense that accomplish nothing. I suggest we start filling the Pacific Ocean with concrete using, of course, only the best union labor.

[-] 2 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

I would not call a Living wage high pay.And who the fuc- mentioned anything about the goverment.And if thats what it takes to put this country back on it's feet after corporate america Kicked us in the balls, stabed us in the back ,so fuc-ing what scab!

[-] -2 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

It's called progress. Unions and government have an impossible time coping with change, but find something less stupid to argue against besides email.

We'll never put anything back on its feet spending money on jobs we don't need performed with rigid rules that deny change. If you think we will, you move love the filling the Pacific with concrete idea. Say, maybe if we pour enough concrete, we can have a bridge between Hawaii and California. LOL

Fact is, the Post Office and it's union doesn't care how stupid it all is. It's a raw attempt on their part to keep things as they are no matter how idiotic and no matter how wasteful.

[-] 1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

It"s called Revolution when people like you try to fuc- us.

[-] -2 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

It's called email and it's reducing mail volume. The union doesn't give a damn. They expect nothing to change even if all the mail went away. Honest to God, find another cause besides the Post Office and email denial. You just look stupid.

Maybe we should count ourselves lucky that at least they don't still cling to horses.

Your revolution needs to send more things via the mail if you expect to help out the squatters at the Post Office. LOL

[-] 1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

Last I looked it was in the constitution.Fact is that all public services are being sold off and privatized.Possibly because America manufactures very little anymore.In fact the only thing it does manufacture war.And industries that participate must not be offshored.We should reduce all defence and security industries in this country.The conservative propaganda machine would have a fit.God forbid if our tax dollars are spent on something that does not enrich the one percent.Trillions to kill trillions to repress zero for human needs.You are a Scab.And less than human.

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

I guess we should consider ourselves thankful that the union doesn't insist on using horses and bicycles. LOL. No doubt, if they could get away with it, they would.

The United States remains the world's largest manufacturer.

The problems you see aren't solved by paying people to accomplish nothing in obsolete government jobs.

[-] 1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

The military $till has active calvery.Why do we pay for three air force$?When was the last time we needed the marine$ to board a ship?Why are we $upporting bank$? How come large corporations$ pay le$$ tax than the average American worker?Are you not concerned ? Who made you the arbitrator of what is ab$olete?I as millons of Americans still use the Po$t Office.I use our national park$ and do not pay an entrance fee yet.They do not make money.I also use highway$.I have yet to see a return on them either.I could go on forever but in the end taking with a $cab is usele$$.There only concern in life i$$$$$.

[-] 0 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

OK, OK, sorry to upset you with the whole email, progress, and change thing. I agree, let's pretend that none of this is happening and send every little mailman a nice post card telling them not to worry about a thing.

Yes, we still are "using the Post Office", but we're USING IT LESS. Really, how about dumping concrete into the Pacific Ocean. Great idea, huh?

[-] 1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

I use e mail all the time.Am not upset at all by it.Now don't get your panties all knoted up.I just do not like Scabs.I do not care much for greed.or selfish motivations.Do you also have to destroy whats left of the Pacific with concrete.I would think that your oil companies have done enough damage already.I only give the Mailman a card at Christ Mass.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

LOL

[-] -1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

It's called UN and it makes war obsolete.

[-] 0 points by JackPulliam3rd (205) 1 year ago

You sure about that?

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Should have said that regarding the USPS.

[-] -2 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

Maybe they can just convert the Post Offices to museums of the age before email. Why not just have a general protest against progress?

What is it about government, unions, and change? It's email and it's reducing volumes, no shit things should change. But liberals are opposed. Unions are opposed. Pork barreling politicians are opposed. They love the environment, yet would have us drive empty trucks around the country for eternity just to resist the obvious. Good thing they gave up horses before the union came along.

Don't worry, they'll do better with healthcare. LOL.

[-] 0 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Disgusting RW Crab Mentality!

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

Go mail something. Give a mailman something to do.

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Why don't you go to Walmart and help your RW psychos kill the middleclass!

[-] 0 points by JackPulliam3rd (205) 1 year ago

Can I buy stamps there?

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

About the only thing they sell that's still made in America.

[-] -2 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

You don't help the middle class by setting up and defending government jobs that no longer have value. Make work do nothing jobs make us all poorer in the end.

[-] 2 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Those are stupid made-up talking points that have no basis in reality.

Go work for a fucking Labor Ready (idiot), is that the kind of abusive slavery you want?

Unions bring us all UP!!

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

Reality? That's a good one. Maybe you should consider it yourself. Oh yeah, tell the union too. Email is sharply reducing Post Office volumes. Dealing with reality means dealing with email. Make work jobs driving around in empty trucks doesn't preserve our standard of living.

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Wall Street would flick you like a bug. Maggot!

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

I understand that change can be scary, but email is real and the Post Office should change too.

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Tell rural UPS and such commercial inadequacies. Loser.

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

Don't be afraid. People have always dealt with change. Even the Post Office can do it. It's going to be OK.

Email is real. Volumes are declining. The need for change is obvious and growing. That's reality.

[-] 2 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

I just got my dearly deceased father's work out clothes by the United States Postal Service from my mom, across the country, for next to nothing. UPS, Fed Ex too expensive!

What's E, What's E, mail got to do with it?

[-] -2 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

Great. Email is still real. Volumes are still declining. The Post Office and it's union are still clinging to even Saturday deliveries and plan to go on as though nothing is happening. Typical.

Change. People have managed to cope with it before, and you can do it now. Good thing the buggy whip makers didn't have a union and a connection to the taxpayers.

[-] 2 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Fuck You! Heartless bastard!

[-] -1 points by Growup6 (-125) 1 year ago

Oh, I know. If you think I'm bad, just think about those awful people that invented email. Fucking progress.